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Posted by gormworm on 05-09-2004 01:10 AM:

Human Flesh & Underground: Dulce, New Mexico

Anyone gots some good stuff on Phil Schneider, and the battle between the Greys & the Human Scientists in the underground facility beneath Dulce, New Mexico?

Oldyoti has mentioned (in the ORR) that Phil Schneider isn't the only eye witness who was interviewed on radio about Dulce and the Denver Underground ... shortly before getting himself murdered.

Anyone gots tapes, CDs, or streaming audio?


In the meantime, ... here's my offering.

"The Dulce Book"_ by Branton

For what it's worth, ... I find the material (linked below) to be interesting.

Accurate?
Inaccurate?
Truth?
Hoax?
Sewer water?

Read for yourself...
You decide.

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/introduction.htm

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/forward.htm

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter1.htm


Posted by Oldyoti on 05-09-2004 01:25 AM:

Gorm,

The understated and recently Courvoisier Napoleon and caffine free, long time Art Bell talkshow guest and UFO guru, John Lear...knows more than he tells... But what he does tell is COMPELLING... Follow your nose...(chuckle)... nothing of any substance comes easy... If anyone knows this truth...J.L. KNOWS!!!!

I have a few local radio shows that hint to the .... well... controvercy... one of those who disappeared was touted as a disinformation government plant ...I'll dig it up...

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Posted by gormworm on 05-09-2004 02:56 AM:

Many thanks.


Posted by annhala on 05-10-2004 10:30 PM:

Gorm, have you got Icke's book "Children of the Matrix?" The excerpt I posted awhile back was just a paragraph or two on the Denver airport, after that there's at least an entire page about Dulce and the war in the 70's.

I know a page doesn't sound like much, but Icke packs a lot of info into a page.

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Posted by gormworm on 05-10-2004 11:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by annhala
Gorm, have you got Icke's book "Children of the Matrix?" The excerpt I posted awhile back was just a paragraph or two on the Denver airport, after that there's at least an entire page about Dulce and the war in the 70's.
I know a page doesn't sound like much, but Icke packs a lot of info into a page.



What you posted was quite impressive and useful.
I've quoted your post in the ORR.

Thanks again for the great stuff.

I have a few of Icke's books on my "to be purchased" list, .. including "Children of the Matrix".
Currently, .. I'm gathering up the flood of on-line material concerning J-Rod, Dulce Wars, and Dulce Papers.

I could write several new seasons of great teleplays based on just a small amount of the material that I've assembled so far.

I get a chuckle out of the debunkers and the "You're crazy if you believe a word of this stuff" folks who keep posting their concerns.

I don't care if the material is hoaxed or not.
It's great research material to base compelling science fiction material on.

Besides.
If even a small amount of it is true, ... there's nothing I can do to defend myself against aliens with super technology who have the power to control my mind, wipe my memory, and do whatever the Heck they want to with all of us.

'Might as well just sit back and enjoy the ride.

JMHO.

Thanks for taking an interest.


Posted by alphacentaura on 05-12-2004 02:27 PM:

Gorm,

Here are some related sites that are fascinating and may be of interest:

KRLL Papers

Val Valerian and the Matrix Series

OH KRILL Report

Paul Bennewitz

Thomas Castello

Branton re The Draconians

More Thomas Castello

Phil Schneider

Alex Collier

Dulce and the Military Industrial Establishment

William F Hamilton and "yellowfruit"

Dan Burisch

Hamilton Bursich Interview

Majestic Documents

Operation Majority

Christa Tilton

Project Redbook

Happy browsing...


Posted by gormworm on 05-13-2004 04:24 AM:

Many thanks, alphacentaura!

These should keep me busy for a looooonnnng time.


Posted by arwen on 05-15-2004 10:46 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by alphacentaura
Gorm,

Here are some related sites that are fascinating and may be of interest:

KRLL Papers

Val Valerian and the Matrix Series

OH KRILL Report

Paul Bennewitz

Thomas Castello

Branton re The Draconians

More Thomas Castello

Phil Schneider

Alex Collier

Dulce and the Military Industrial Establishment

William F Hamilton and "yellowfruit"

Dan Burisch

Hamilton Bursich Interview

Majestic Documents

Operation Majority

Christa Tilton

Project Redbook

Happy browsing...




These are really great links.

I've been reading all week since they've been posted and still haven't read or assimilated it all.

Anyone here know more about the author of the Matrix - Val Valerian. His books are really expensive and I'd like to know what others who have this material feel about it and if it's worth the money.

Many thanks to gormworm and alphacentaura.

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Posted by gormworm on 06-01-2004 07:56 PM:

Thumbs up

Many thanks!


Posted by T12 on 07-02-2004 10:36 AM:

Dulce N.M. and Denver airport connection via massive underground tunnels that run deep and vast all over the continent. Good Story, what to do if evry we discover any of it's True? better yet not the provision of proof withstanding would even suffice to gain the attention requirement of an attention deficit, diverted through whatever headgames control the mass consensus. "Proof" would have to be accepted before it is even considered for verification. Don't try this one at home folkes, and by all means Do not leave the light on for anyone under any
circumstances!

FILE NO.012 BATTLES BENEATH THE EARTH
By: John Scovern
410 N Walnut Street
Kahoka, MO 63445
Tel:660-727-3582

You may view this archived document within our online "Files" section here...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tapten/files
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Image Details:
Capstone dedication to the Denver CO.'s
"New World Airport"
http://www.anomalous-images.com/christo.html

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Posted by gormworm on 07-02-2004 08:15 PM:

Question

Of course, ... there's also the question of the "hovering blisters" that were photographed and witnessed by so many people at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on 09/11/2001.

"What REALLY happened to all of those people who disappeared on 9/11/2001?'

Perhaps one of these stories provides some evidence that supports the other story?


Posted by alphacentaura on 07-06-2004 03:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by T12
Dulce N.M. and Denver airport connection via massive underground tunnels that run deep and vast all over the continent. Good Story, what to do if evry we discover any of it's True? .........Image Details:
Capstone dedication to the Denver CO.'s
"New World Airport"
http://www.anomalous-images.com/christo.html



Absolutely fascinating material, T12!!!

The analysis of the murals at the Denver Airport is chilling and congruous.

Details of Murals in New Denver Airport ....this really is a must see for anyone truly interested in this subject matter.

Here's some more really mind blowing reading:

Dr John Coleman/Committee 300

The Lacerta File ....excerpt below translated from an interview between Ole K from Sweden and Lacerta....fact, fiction or a bit of both?!

"Question: You mentioned earlier that you use the name "Lacerta" when you are among humans and that you enjoy it to be in the real sun on the surface of earth. But how can you be among humans? You don´t look like us, so anyone will see that you belong to another species. Why have nobody seen and described a being like you if your kind lives already since our "creation" together with us on the same planet. Can you explain that to me?

Answer: First, my kind was of course seen and described (and worshipped) many times in your primitive past, for example in your religious writings like your Christian Bible. You can find descriptions and even simple drawings of us for also in the southern part of the American continent on various temples. So-called "wise" men from India and from the Asian mountains have described our species many times in writings, together with other "wise" men from the African continent. I think we are the most mentioned non-human species (maybe beside the "Ilojiim") in your history. If you don´t believe me, have a look at your history and you will see the truth in my words. Your "great" scientists called the belief in us "superstition" and "religion" and todays "intelligent" humans have forgotten our presence on the surface in the past.

Furthermore, our species is seen even today sometimes from human witnesses in its original shape on earth or in our surface-near entries and tunnel systems, but fortunately you and your media didn´t take the reports of such "crazies" serious (that´s good for us and that´s the reason why we allow those people to see us as we really are.) Some of my species are also in direct contact with human scientists and politicians from the surface, but this is top-secret - as you would call it - and nobody of your public knows anything about it (the matter of this meetings is generally the upcoming war with and between the alien species and our assistance in this war). But there is also another explanation, why we can walk among you and why you are not able to recognize us: mimicry.

The following may again sound unbelievable and even shocking to you, but as you have asked I will expain it. I have told you before, that we have more advanced mental abilities then your species and with "more advanced" I mean, that we are able to use telepathy and telekinesis from our birth on (in fact, mother and new-born child communicate generally with telepathy during the first months) without special training as you need it to activate these sleeping parts of your brain. The structure of our brain is a little bit different to yours and our hypophyse is larger and more active then yours - especially when we are in sunlight. Our own abilities are very strong in comparison to yours, but weak in comparison to the "matterstring/bubble" mind forces of some of the alien species on this planet. I was never very good in that mind things, but we all have these primary abilities and can use them for example for our protection or even for attack.

When we are on the surface and we meet human beings (even a large group of them - this makes no difference. All of your minds are like one mind) we are able to "touch" their mind and induce them via telepathy the command "See us as one of your kind" and the weak human mind will accept this order without refusion and they will see us (despite our reptilian look) as normal humans. I´ve done this many times and you weak humans generally see me as an attractive brown-haired woman, because I have created this special "mimicry image" in my mind years ago and I can induce it into your minds without problems. I´ve needed some time at the beginning to learn the use of the mimicry correctly, but then it worked nearly automatically and I can even walk among a group of yours and nobody will recognize what I am. There is a simple switch ("See us as we really are / See us as we want you to see us") in your consciousness which was placed there from the "Ilojiim" when they created your kind and we can use this swich to convince you that you see humans when you look at us (other aliens use this switch, too). It is easier as you think. When there are meetings between your kind and aliens which seem to look exactly like yours, these aliens have used that switch and some of the meetings with man-like aliens can be also explained with meetings with my kind.) When I met E.F. the first time, he saw me also as a normal human woman and I remember that he was very frightened and shocked when I revealed him my real appearance."

.........
Question: Can you tell me something about the natural history and evolution of your species? How old is your species? Have you evolved from primitive reptiles as mankind have evolved from apes?

Answer: Oh, this is a very long and complex story and it sounds certainly unbelievable to you, but it´s the truth. I will try to explain it in short. Around 65 million years ago, many of our unadvanced ancestors from the dinosaur race died in a great global cataclysm. The reason for this destruction was not a natural disaster - an asteroid impact as your scientists believe falsely - but a war between two enemy alien groups that took mainly place in the orbit and high atmosphere of your planet. According to our limited knowledge about the early days this global war was the first alien war on planet earth but it was definetly not the last (and a future war is coming soon, while a "cold war" - as you call it - between alien groups is ongoing since the last 73 years on your planet.) The opponents in this 65 million year old war were two advanced alien species, whose both names are again not pronouncable for your tongues. I´m able to say them but it would hurt your ear if I tell you the names in their orginal way. One race was humanoid like your species (but much older) and was from this universe, from a solar system in the star constellation you call "Procyon" today in your maps. The other species - abouth which we know not so much - was a reptilian species, but they have nothing to do with our own species, because we have evolved from local saurians without exterior influence (except the sucessful manipulation of our own genes by us. More about that later.) The advanced reptilian species came not from this universe but from a - well, how should I explain it to you. Your scientists have not really understand the true nature of the universe, because your illogical mind is not able to see the easiest things and relies on wrong mathematics and numbers. This is part of the genetic programming of your kind to which I will come later. Let me say, that you are nearly as far away from the understanding of the universe as you were 500 years ago.

To use a term you will maybe understand: the other species came not from this universe but from another "bubble" in the foam of the omniverse. You would call it maybe another dimension, but this is not the right word to describe it correctly (by the way, the term dimension is generally wrong in the way you understand it.) The fact you should remember is, that advanced species are able to "walk" between bubbles by use of - as you would call it - quantum technology and sometimes in special ways only by use of their mind (my own species had also advanced mental abilities in comparison to your species, but we are not able to do the matterstring/bubble changing without technology, but other species active on this planet are able and this looks to you like magic as it had to your ancestors.)

Back to our own history: the first species (the humanoids) had reached Earth around 150 years before the reptilians and they built some colonies on the former continents. There was a large colony on the continent you call "Antarctica" today and another one in the continent you call "Asia" today. These people lived together with animal-like saurians on the planet without problems. When the advanced reptilan species arrived in this system, the humanoid colonists from "Procyon" tried to communicate peacefully, but they were not sucessful and a global war started within months. You must understand that both species were interested in this young planet not for his biology and undeveloped species, but for only one reason: raw material, especially copper. To understand this reason, you must know that copper is a very important material for some advanced species (even today) because it is - together with some unstable materials - able to produce new stable elements if you induce a high electromagnetic field in the right angle with a high nuclear radiation field to produce an over-crossing of fluctuating fields. The fusion of copper with other elements in such a magnetic/radiaton field-chamber can produce a force field of special nature that is very useful for various technological tasks (but the base for this is an extremly complex formula you are not able to discover because of the restrictions of your simple mind.) Both species wanted to have the copper of Planet Earth and for this reason, they fought a not very long war in space and orbit. The humanoid species seemed to be sucessful during the first time, but in a last battle the reptilians decided to use a mighty experimental weapon - a special kind of fusion bomb which should destroy the life forms on the planet but should not harm the valuable raw materials and the copper. The bomb was fired from space and detonated at a point of your planet you call "Middle America" today. As it detonated in the ocean, it produced an unpredictable fusion with hydrogen and the effect was much stronger then the reptilians had expected. A deadly radiaton, an over-production of fusion-oxygen, a fall-out of different elements and a "nuclear winter" for nearly 200 years were the result. Most of the humanoids were killed and the reptilians lost their interest on the planet after some years for (even for us) unknown reasons - maybe because of the radiation. Planet Earth was on its own again and the animals on the surface died. By the way, one result of the fusionbomb was the fall-out of different elements and materials created in the burning process and one of that materials was Iridium. Your human scientists today see the Iridium concentration in the ground as an evidence for an asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs. That is not true, but how should you know that?

Well, most of the dinosaurs died (not all in the detonation but in the bad things which came after the war, especially in the nuclear winter and in the fall-out.) Nearly all dinosaurs and reptilians were dead within the next 20 years. Some of them - especially those in the oceans - were able to survive for the next 200 to 300 years even in this changed world, but these species also died, because the climate had changed. The nuclear winter ended after 200 years, but it was colder on earth then before. Despite the cataclysm, some species were able to suvive: fish (like the sharks), birds, little creepy mammals (your ancestors), various reptiles like crocodils...and there was a special kind of small but advanced dinosaurs which had developed together with the last large animal-reptilians like the species you call Tyrannosaurus.

This new reptile was walking on two legs and looked at little bit like your reconstruction of an Iguanodon (it originated in this family) but it was smaller (around 1,50 metres tall) with some humanoid features, a changed bone structure, a larger skull and brain, a hand with a thumb which was able to grab things, a different organism and disgestion, advanced eyes in the middle of the head like your eyes and...most important...with a new and better brain structure. This was our direct ancestor..........


Operation Paperclip


Posted by Laird on 07-06-2004 06:37 PM:

Its my theory that the references to tunneling machines is an expression for opening up dimensional gateways to alternate
realities.

You know it took me nearly 16 years before I'd knowingly eat a mushroom and over 45 years before I had the courage to visit Nevada because of the covert investigations linked to Area 51.

So much has been covered up with mis-information that its hard to wade through the crap.

I marvel over hearing how many others have been threatened into submission for national security. What could be is so politically damning that they challenge and demean us?


Posted by Kenny_D_Rogers on 07-06-2004 11:13 PM:

Alphacentaura........

WOW..What a fasinating artical!

I just got done reading it and it makes quite a lot of sence. Remeber that one webcam pic Art had up with that "odd" looking head of that reptile looking thing some fishermen caught? I would guess that that is what Lacerta is.

I mean, come on! Any airport built in the mountians with symbology like in Denver should make even the slightly educated wonder "Whats that thing REALLY for?"


Posted by alphacentaura on 07-11-2004 03:10 PM:

Kenny,

I found this article fascinating as well....glad you did too.

There were several things that really stood out as most interesting for me.

One, that the mineral alien species are/were interested in on this planet was copper and not gold, as other researchers have alleged.....

"you must know that copper is a very important material for some advanced species (even today) because it is - together with some unstable materials - able to produce new stable elements if you induce a high electromagnetic field in the right angle with a high nuclear radiation field to produce an over-crossing of fluctuating fields. The fusion of copper with other elements in such a magnetic/radiaton field-chamber can produce a force field of special nature that is very useful for various technological tasks (but the base for this is an extremly complex formula you are not able to discover because of the restrictions of your simple mind.) "

Another was the description of what we call dimensions and likely the lack of our understanding of them:

"To use a term you will maybe understand: the other species came not from this universe but from another "bubble" in the foam of the omniverse. You would call it maybe another dimension, but this is not the right word to describe it correctly (by the way, the term dimension is generally wrong in the way you understand it.) The fact you should remember is, that advanced species are able to "walk" between bubbles by use of - as you would call it - quantum technology and sometimes in special ways only by use of their mind (my own species had also advanced mental abilities in comparison to your species, but we are not able to do the matterstring/bubble changing without technology, but other species active on this planet are able and this looks to you like magic as it had to your ancestors.)"

Another was Lacerta's ability to issue a telepathic command to influence how she and her species are seen by humans.

"The following may again sound unbelievable and even shocking to you, but as you have asked I will expain it. I have told you before, that we have more advanced mental abilities then your species and with "more advanced" I mean, that we are able to use telepathy and telekinesis from our birth on (in fact, mother and new-born child communicate generally with telepathy during the first months) without special training as you need it to activate these sleeping parts of your brain. The structure of our brain is a little bit different to yours and our hypophyse is larger and more active then yours - especially when we are in sunlight. Our own abilities are very strong in comparison to yours, but weak in comparison to the "matterstring/bubble" mind forces of some of the alien species on this planet. I was never very good in that mind things, but we all have these primary abilities and can use them for example for our protection or even for attack.

When we are on the surface and we meet human beings (even a large group of them - this makes no difference. All of your minds are like one mind) we are able to "touch" their mind and induce them via telepathy the command "See us as one of your kind" and the weak human mind will accept this order without refusion and they will see us (despite our reptilian look) as normal humans. I´ve done this many times and you weak humans generally see me as an attractive brown-haired woman, because I have created this special "mimicry image" in my mind years ago and I can induce it into your minds without problems. I´ve needed some time at the beginning to learn the use of the mimicry correctly, but then it worked nearly automatically and I can even walk among a group of yours and nobody will recognize what I am. There is a simple switch ("See us as we really are / See us as we want you to see us") in your consciousness which was placed there from the "Ilojiim" when they created your kind and we can use this swich to convince you that you see humans when you look at us (other aliens use this switch, too). It is easier as you think. When there are meetings between your kind and aliens which seem to look exactly like yours, these aliens have used that switch and some of the meetings with man-like aliens can be also explained with meetings with my kind.)"
....hmmm, an explanation of seeming 'shape shifting' perhaps

Also, I find it very interesting that this article was published in entirity in Pravda in 2002, yet no reference or source to this article can be found anywhere else.....I've googled to death and can't find any more information.

If any of you can find other sources regarding Lacerta and the follow up interview which was scheduled, please post the information and links here.


Procyon

Aldebaran


Posted by gormworm on 07-11-2004 09:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by T12
FILE NO.012 BATTLES BENEATH THE EARTH
By: John Scovern
410 N Walnut Street
Kahoka, MO 63445
Tel:660-727-3582

You may view this archived document within our online "Files" section here...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tapten/files
(Membership is "free" for access, but you must subscribe to become a member if you wish to access our group's archived info.)



Access denied.

You are not a member of the group tapten.
No further info.

Oh well.


Posted by gormworm on 08-09-2004 08:41 PM:

Some of the end notes from Michael Salla's 30 page report,
http://www.exopolitics.org/Report-E...ivations-PF.htm


These URLs seem to be an important part of this discussion.
I’ve made an attempt to cut out duplicate URLs, .. but there are so many of them.

Oh well.

Better to include the duplicates than to cut out valuable on-line information.

JMHO, anyway.

[4] For a detailed study of seven different categories of evidentiary sources for the extraterrestrial presence, and ranking for their reliability, see Michael Salla, Exopolitics: Political Implications of the Extraterrestrial Presence (Dandelion Books, 2004) ch. 1. An earlier version of this chapter is available online at: http://exopolitics.org/Study-Paper1.htm

[5] _ Bob Hieronimus, “Transcript of Interview with Bob Dean, March 24, 1996,” published online at: http://www.planetarymysteries.com/h...us/bobdean.html

[6] _ Bob Hieronimus, “Transcript of Interview with Bob Dean, March 24, 1996,” published online at:
http://www.planetarymysteries.com/h...us/bobdean.html



[8] _ See Richard Boylan, “Official Within MJ-12 UFO-Secrecy Management Group Reveals Insider Secrets,”
http://www.swa-home.de/wolfdoc.htm



[10] _ For an interview with Alex Collier, see Paola Harris, Connecting the Dots, 140-45. Also available online at: http://utenti.lycos.it/paolaharris/acollier_eng.htm

[11] _ For an interview with Alex Collier, see Paola Harris, Connecting the Dots, 140-45. Also available online at: http://utenti.lycos.it/paolaharris/acollier_eng.htm Another UFO researcher that found Collier to be consistent with his own independent research and extensive database of whistleblower testimonies is John Grace (aka., Val Valerian) who wrote the Matrix series of books which can be found online at: http://www.trufax.org

[12] See Michael Salla, Stephen Hawking, Black Holes and Alex Collier, Rense.com (July 21, 2004) http://rense.com/general54/zlecx.htm

[13] Alex Collier, “More on The Sirians,” Defending Sacred Ground: The Story of Alex Collier and his Lifetime Personal Contact with the Zenetaen Culture of Andromeda (Brotherton Press, 1997) ch 5. For online quote see Alex Collier, Leading Edge Followup Interview by Val Valerian, May 5, 1996, http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099h.html


[20] Bob Hieronimus, “Transcript of Interview with Bob Dean, March 24, 1996,” published online at: http://www.planetarymysteries.com/h...us/bobdean.html


[21] Dr Arthur Horn, “The Orion Empire,” Available online at: http://www.think-aboutit.com/module...howpage&pid=257


[22] Milton William Cooper, “Origin, Identity, and Purpose of MJ-12,” Behold a Pale Horse http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Sha...83/maji007.html


[23] _ “1972 Film Disclosure Offer,” http://www.presidentialufo.com/disclosure_72-75.htm

[24] Bob Hieronimus, “Transcript of Interview with Bob Dean, March 24, 1996,” published online at: http://www.planetarymysteries.com/h...us/bobdean.html



[26] See Branton “A Dulce Base Security Officer Speaks Out,” in The Dulce Wars: Underground Alien Bases and the Battle for Planet Earth (Inner Light, 199) ch. 11. For online version go to http://www.ufoarea.com/government_d...anton_ch11.html

[27] See William Hamilton Cosmic Top Secret. An extract is available online at: http://www.crowdedskies.com/files/down/cog.html

[28] _ See Michael Salla, “The Dulce Report: Investigating Alleged Human Rights Abuses at a _Joint US Government-Extraterrestrial Base at Dulce, New Mexico,” http://www.exopolitics.org (Sept 25, 2003). Available at: http://www.exopolitics.org/Dulce-Report.htm

[29] Linda Moulton Howe, “Meetings With Remarkable Aliens,” Nexus Magazine, _Vol 7, no.2 (February-March 2000). http://www.nexusmagazine.com/JimSparx.html

[30] Lacerta File, “Interview with a Reptiloid,” http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html

[31] For a discussion of the credibility of Ole K. see “A Swedish Tale Of An Alien Reptile Woman,” http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/ufo02c3.htm

[32] For online information on the Draco Constellation and Alpha Draconis, go to: http://starryskies.com/The_sky/cons...ions/draco.html

[33] _ Alex Collier, “Let’s Do Some Questions,” http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099f.html


[35] See Alex Collier, “The Draconians,” Defending Sacred Ground, ch. 1, available online at: http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099e.html

[36] See Branton “A Dulce Base Security Officer Speaks Out,” in The Dulce Wars: Underground Alien Bases and the Battle for Planet Earth, ch. 11. For online version go to http://www.ufoarea.com/government_d...anton_ch11.html

[37] See Branton, Secrets of the Mojave (Creative Arts & Science Enterprises, 1999), available online at: http://www.subversiveelement.com/UnderMojave1.html

[39] John Quinn, Phoenix Undead: The Montauk Project and Camp Hero Today
(NewsHawk Inc, 1998) available online at: http://psychicspy.com/monew.htm


[41] Alex Collier, “More on The Sirians,” Defending Sacred Ground, ch 5. For online quote see Alex Collier, Leading Edge Followup Interview by Val Valerian, May 5, 1996, http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099h.html

[42] See Collier, “Leading Edge Follow Up Interview, 1996” Defending Sacred Ground, ch 5. Available online at: http://reptile.users2.50megs.com/cont/co121099h.html

[45] See Neruda Interview #1, http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda1.html


[50] See Rick Martin, “Interview with Robert Dean,” The Spectrum (December 11, 2001) 22; available online at: http://www.thespectrumnews.com/papers/S0307.pdf


Posted by gormworm on 08-09-2004 08:42 PM:

[51] _ For description of the power politics system created to deal with extraterrestrials, see Michael Salla, “The Failure of Power Politics as a Strategic Response to the Extraterrestrial Presence – Developing Human Capacity as a Viable Global Defense Strategy ,” Research Study #7 (January 1, 2004) http://www.exopolitics.org Available online at: http://exopolitics.org/Study-Paper-7.htm

[52] See Michael Salla, “Eisenhower’s 1954 Meeting With Extraterrestrials: The Fiftieth Anniversary of First Contact?” Research Study #8 (Febuary 12, 2004)
http://www.exopolitics.org.

Available online at: http://exopolitics.org/Study-Paper-8.htm

[53] See Bob Hieronimus, “Transcript of Interview with Bob Dean, March 24, 1996,” published online at: http://www.planetarymysteries.com/h...us/bobdean.html

[54] See Alex Collier, “More on The Sirians,” Defending Sacred Ground, ch 5, http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099h.html ; George Andrews, Extra-terrestrial Friends and Foes (Illuminet Press, 1993); and “Billy Meier Interview,” (November 20, 1988) available at: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/et066.html For a short description of a number of star systems with celestial data, and some information of the extraterrestrial races claimed to originate from these, see http://www.anomalous-images.com/text/starsys.html


[57] __Richard Byrd, The Missing Diary of Admiral Richard Byrd (Inner Light Publications, 1992). Admiral Byrd’s Diary is available online at, http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/byrdiar.html

[58] _ Quoted online at http://www.mslpublishing.com/about-mt-shasta.htm


[61] See for example, George Adamski, Inside the Flying Saucers, available online at: http://www.universe-people.com/adamsk_e.htm For discussion of experiences of an extensive number of contactees, see Timothy Good, Alien Base: The Evidence for Extraterrestrial Colonization on Earth.

[62] See Kinder, Light Years. Also, Michael Horn is the US representative for Meier and has a website that provides details of the dialogue between skeptics and those supporting Meier’s claims: http://www.andyettheyfly.com/


[64] Wendell Stevens, UFO Contact from the Pleiades, ch. 4. Available online at: http://www.etcontact.net/Other/Cont.../MeierChap4.htm


[66] _ Lyssa Royal, Prism of Lyra, … See also Alex Collier, “Our Ancient Heritage,” http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099d.html


[67] “Arcturian Channel” (January_ 10, 2004) available online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/files/

[68] Wendell Stevens, UFO Contact from the Pleiades, ch. 4. Available online at: http://www.etcontact.net/Other/Cont.../MeierChap4.htm

[69] _ For online description of Erra, see http://www.billymeier.com/Plejarans/PlanetErra.html


[70] For description of the Pleiadians first meeting with Meier and the special role they ascribed to him, see Meier, “First conversation with the UFO person,” Tuesday, January 28, 1975, available online at:
_http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/1.htm


[71] Wendell Stevens, UFO Contact from the Pleiades, ch. 4. Available online at: http://www.etcontact.net/Other/Cont.../MeierChap4.htm


[72] Meier, “First conversation with the UFO person,” Tuesday, January 28, 1975, available online at:
http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/1.htm




[74] Meier, “First conversation with the UFO person,” Tuesday, January 28, 1975, available online at:
http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/1.htm



[75] For description of the Pleiadians dismissive comments of many other contactees, see Meier, “Second Contact,” Monday, February 3, 1975, available online at:
http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/2.htm



[84] Alex Collier, “More on The Sirians,” Defending Sacred Ground: ch 5. For online quote see Alex Collier, Leading Edge Followup Interview by Val Valerian, May 5, 1996, http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099h.html

[85] _ See Forest Crawford, In the issue of "UFO JOURNAL OF FACTS" (Box 17206., Tucson, AZ 85710), Spring, 1991. For online references, see Branton, Secrets of the Mojave, http://www.subversiveelement.com/underworldMojave2.html


[87] _ This torture allegedly under the orders of the astronomer Frank Drake who it was claimed headed the covert mission, See Alex Collier, “Galactic Interplay Behind the Scenes,” Defending Sacred Ground,” ch, 4, see also http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099i.html. See John Lear Briefing for confirmation that Frank Drake was involved, http://www.crowdedskies.com/pages/john_lear.htm

[88] _ “Arcturian Channel” (January_ 10, 2004) available online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/files/ The author of this report has personally interviewed, questioned and listened to the individual receiving these telepathic communications from Arcturians and found the information to be consistent, coherent and credible.


[91] _ Alex Collier, “Let’s Do Some Questions,” http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099f.html

[92] _ Alex Collier, “The Andromeda Council,” Defending Sacred Ground,” ch 1._ For online quote, go to http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099b.html

[93] For online information on the Sirius star system, see “Sirius 2”, http://www.solstation.com/stars/sirius2.htm


[96] Alex Collier, “More on Civilizations in Various Star Systems,” Defending Sacred Ground, ch 6. For an online discussion on the habitability of planets around Sirius, see http://www.exoplaneten.de/sirius/english.html


[98] “Arcturian Channel” (January_ 10, 2004) available online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/files/ The author of this report has personally interviewed, questioned and listened to the individual receiving these telepathic communications from Arcturians and found the information to be consistent, coherent and credible.

[99] See Antonio Ribera and Wendelle Stevens, UFO Contact from Planet Ummo (UFO Photo Archives, 1986). For online information on the Ummites, see, “A case with a high level on the technical information given from UMMO - a civilization in the first steps of interplanetary crossing through space,” available at: http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/ummo.html


[103] See Collier, “Leading Edge Interviews 1996,” Defending Sacred Ground, ch. 4. Available online at: http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099i.html

[104] John Quinn, Phoenix Undead: The Montauk Project and Camp Hero Today
available online at: http://psychicspy.com/monew.htm

[105] Al Bielak Interview, 1991. Available online at:_ http://www.freezone.org/mc/e_conv06.htm

[106] "Arcturian Channel," (Jan 10, 2004) available online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/files/ The author of this report has personally interviewed, questioned and listened to the individual receiving these telepathic communications from Arcturians and found the information to be consistent, coherent and credible.

[108] Alex Collier, “More on The Sirians,” Defending Sacred Ground, ch 5. For online quote see Alex Collier, Leading Edge Followup Interview by Val Valerian, May 5, 1996, http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099h.html


[111] _ Arcturian Channel” (January_ 10, 2004) available online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/files/ The author of this report has personally interviewed, questioned and listened to the individual receiving these telepathic communications from Arcturians and found the information to be consistent, coherent and credible.

[112] Other extraterrestrial races include the Koldasians, see http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/kold1.html those from Cygnus Alpha, see Alex Collier, http://www.reptilianagenda.com/cont/co121099i.html and those from Altair Aquila, see Michael Wolf, http://www.swa-home.de/wolfdoc.htm

[113] _ See Michael Salla, “The Black Budget Report, An Investigation into the CIA’s ‘Black Budget’ and the Second Manhattan Project,” Scoop (30 January, 2004) http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0401/S00151.htm _

[114] For an online description of systemic global problems, see Richard H. Robbins, Global Problems and the Culture of Capitalism, 2nd edition (Alyn and Bacon Publishing, 2001). For online information, go to: http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/rich...acy/default.htm


Posted by gormworm on 08-09-2004 08:53 PM:

After reviewing Michael Salla’s report, .. and reviewing the photographic evidence, ... http://www.fantasticforum.com/1res/...15&pagenumber=1 ... I see an obvious link between some specific alien races and the events of 9-11-2001.

I wonder if these alien races are linked to the summer events at the Bohemian Grove as well?
___________________

Indigenous Reptilians


(Earth)

Activities:
Manipulating human elites, institutions & financial systems, influencing religious belief systems, militarism & removal of history of human civilization.

The affects:
• human rights abuses
• elite corruption & domination
• control of the media & corporations
• divisive religious dogma
• historical amnesia
• culture of violence

___________________

Draconian Reptilians


(Alpha Draconis)

Activities:
Controlling human elites, institutions & financial systems, militarism, creating a climate of scarcity, struggle and insecurity, harvesting humans, manipulating Grays and Earth Reptilians.

The affects:
• Concentrated global wealth & poverty
• Corrupt elites & institutions
• ethnic/religious violence,
• human rights abuses
• culture of violence & terrorism
• drug trade & organized crime

___________________

Sirians


(Sirius B)

Activities:
Participate in technology exchange programs that promote military cooperation to potential extraterrestrial threats.

The affects:
• Covert weapons research
• Use of exotic weapons
• Black budgets
• militarism.


___________________

Any thoughts?


Posted by johnlear on 08-10-2004 05:04 AM:

Paul Bennewitz

Regarding Part 3 of the Benewitz story which I read about 6 months ago, I tried to contact Chris Lambright but found that he had passed away last year. Chris and I were good friends and he guided me through the Ufological maze of the 1980's.

I never knew until I read his article on Bennewitz that he, Chris, had misunderstood a statement that I had made obout the O.H.Krill papers.

I have already made several posts of this same explanation so I will keep it brief.

Bill Cooper and I did an interview with PM Magazine (Salt Lake City) circa 1988, and Bill made the statement that he had 'seen the O.H. Krill papers while in the Navy. I told him that was impossible because they had only been written by John Grace (Val Valerian) a few months before the interview with PM Mag. I mentioned to Chris that the papers were a summary of what John Grace felt was "The Estimate of the Situation" at that time in Grace's opinion. When John finished the article he asked me to help him come up with a name for the 'author as John was currently serving with the USAF and obviously couldn't use his own name. I suggested Krill which was a different spelling of Crlll who was an ET contacted by the Pentagon in the 50's. John then came up with the initials O.H. which didn't mean anything or stand for anything, certainly not 'Original Hostage'. In relating this story to Chris I told Chris "We made it up (the name O.H. Krill) it was a total fabrication". Chris obviously thought that we made the article up. John wrote the article, he didn't make it up, it was what he thought was going on at the time in the UFO field and having re-read the article recently, I agree thats about what we thought was going on. Its too bad Chris passed away before I got this straightened out because Chris was a good friend and I never knew the extent of his bitterness over this misunderstanding.

__________________
The lie is different at every level. (RCH)
Including his. (JOL)


Posted by gormworm on 08-10-2004 06:33 AM:

Many thanks for the link and the insights, John.


Posted by alphacentaura on 08-10-2004 06:44 PM:

114 Links!!! Thank You Gorm!!

WOW....hadn't been here for a while and see you have been a very busy Pirate.

Thank you Gorm....will take me quite a while to get through all of this, however, really appreciate you doing all of the legwork.


Posted by alphacentaura on 08-10-2004 06:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by johnlear
Paul Bennewitz

Regarding Part 3 of the Benewitz story which I read about 6 months ago, I tried to contact Chris Lambright but found that he had passed away last year. Chris and I were good friends and he guided me through the Ufological maze of the 1980's.

I never knew until I read his article on Bennewitz that he, Chris, had misunderstood a statement that I had made obout the O.H.Krill papers.

I have already made several posts of this same explanation so I will keep it brief.

Bill Cooper and I did an interview with PM Magazine (Salt Lake City) circa 1988, and Bill made the statement that he had 'seen the O.H. Krill papers while in the Navy. I told him that was impossible because they had only been written by John Grace (Val Valerian) a few months before the interview with PM Mag. I mentioned to Chris that the papers were a summary of what John Grace felt was "The Estimate of the Situation" at that time in Grace's opinion. When John finished the article he asked me to help him come up with a name for the 'author as John was currently serving with the USAF and obviously couldn't use his own name. I suggested Krill which was a different spelling of Crlll who was an ET contacted by the Pentagon in the 50's. John then came up with the initials O.H. which didn't mean anything or stand for anything, certainly not 'Original Hostage'. In relating this story to Chris I told Chris "We made it up (the name O.H. Krill) it was a total fabrication". Chris obviously thought that we made the article up. John wrote the article, he didn't make it up, it was what he thought was going on at the time in the UFO field and having re-read the article recently, I agree thats about what we thought was going on. Its too bad Chris passed away before I got this straightened out because Chris was a good friend and I never knew the extent of his bitterness over this misunderstanding.



Thanks for the response, John. I do hope you know that I had no underlying motive to post the Bennowitz link, other than for fyi information to all....I totally forgot that you were mentioned in that article ( was bookmarked), so I hope that I didn't put you on the spot for a response....wasn't intended.

I too am sorry to hear of Chris Lambright's passing.

Would love to hear any comments/opinions you have about Valerian's Matrix material if your willing....if not, kewl.


Posted by gormworm on 08-10-2004 07:31 PM:

Hey, Alpha.

I can't take any credit for the long list of URLs.
It's all from Michael Salla PhD.

I suspect that I'll be spending less and less time in the ORR and forum in general, .. and more and more time reading through all of this great stuff.

I have quite a bit of catching up to do.

I've recently purchased ten acres of land in Humbolt County.
It was made available at a government auction, .. and I couldn't resist the price ($100. per acre).

I was driving up to the property from Reno on a Sunday night a few weeks ago.
The trip is roughly 150 miles, .. about 3 hours, ... driving through salt flats, grazing land, and desert.

From about 9 PM through until about 11 PM there were brilliant, silent explosions of golden light that erupted about every thirty seconds or so, .. behind clouds in the sky (it was a fairly clear night), .. and in places on the mountains.

The flashes of golden light were reminiscent of the explosions that I saw on CNN when Bagdad was being bombed during mission Iraqi Freedom (or whatever the shelling was called back then).
Except that there was no smoke nor flying debris.

The wind was whipping through the open windows of my Jeep, ... so I can't be absolutely sure.
But I could make out no sounds to go with the flashes of light.

The land that I've purchased lies in the middle of a valley that faces north.
It's about 15 miles south/west of Battle Mountain.
The mountains that surround the valley are all owned by the government.
And I'm told that UFO sightings are commonplace in that area.

Winner's Casino has an all you can eat soup and salad bar for $5. in Winnemucca (about 5 minutes south of my property.
I've had several conversations with the local gamblers who hang out there, .. and I'm told that there are stories of an underground city / military base in Fallon.

The mountains around Fallon and Fernley are where a great many of the flashes of light took place.

I arrived on the property around 11 PM.

There were another five or six flashes of light that illuminated portions of the mountains to the north of my location between 11 pm and midnight.
No sound.

I never knew about the Dulce wars when they took place in the 1970's.

I don't have any idea what has been taking place in Humbolt County.
But I plan to keep a video camera and lots of charged batteries with me when I drive up there in the future.

quote:
Originally posted by alphacentaura
Thanks for the response, John. .... Would love to hear any comments/opinions you have about Valerian's Matrix material if your willing....if not, kewl.


I'd be very interested in reading any comments/opinions you'd care to post too, John.

They didn't teach this stuff in college.


Posted by alphacentaura on 08-10-2004 08:59 PM:

Gorm,

Sounds wonderfully serene yet titilating and the same time...I'm so happy for you and your purchase.

I hope you find the peace and answers that you seek.

Yes, so much to read....wonder if we can ever get through it and make sense of it all.

I so enjoy your passion and enthusiam, gormy.....don't forget about us here....and yes, we want pictures.....lots of them.

BTW, do you have Valerian's material? I have the order form sitting in front of me....kind of pricey for all of it, although Matrix I is said to be the KRLL papers. There is an audio out there with Valerian and Laura Lee....have it and need to listen to it.


Posted by gormworm on 08-10-2004 09:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by alphacentaura
BTW, do you have Valerian's material? I have the order form sitting in front of me....kind of pricey for all of it, although Matrix I is said to be the KRLL papers. There is an audio out there with Valerian and Laura Lee....have it and need to listen to it.


So far, .. I've simply been downloading everything that's available for free at the websites.
If there's a membership involved, ... I save the URL for future reference.

I've come across passages of Val Valerian material in many of the documents that I've downloaded and copied.

Recently, .. I've been focused on the Michael Salla and John Titor material.
There's a great deal of material that I've downloaded that I haven't actually read yet.

I suppose I’m a bit of a DUNCE when it comes to intelligent discussions of things that I’m witnessing.
Information that’s been out there for decades, .. is stuff that I’m only now finding out about, and putting on my reading list.

The profundity of much of what John Lear has told me will probably hit me in a few years, ... after I’ve FINALLY gotten around to fully absorbing the relevant reading assignments.

I don’t subscribe to “AFTER DARK”.
There’s too much good stuff out there that doesn’t require a fifty dollar investment.


Posted by johnlear on 08-11-2004 04:43 PM:

I'd be very interested in reading any comments/opinions you'd care to post too, John.

They didn't teach this stuff in college. [/B][/QUOTE]

Matrix 1 was the best. I think I still have a copy. When my Mom passed away there was a copy in mint condition in her library but it went to a cousin. Every page of Matrix 1 came off my desk. I was the one that drew the Dulce pictures from pencil drawings given to me by Cherry Hinkle, Castello's main contact.

Matrix 2 was ok.

I may have read but have forgotten what was in Matrix 3 and 4.

Val Valerian graciously sent me a copy of Matrix 5. I took it up to the mine expecting some real interesting reading but what I got (no reflection on Val) was, in my opinion, the longest, most self serving apologea for bisexulaity I have ever read. I only got about a quarter of the way through and had to give up. Some of the comments regarding Monroe's work were intriguing but for those who think they can expand their consciouness in this manner my personal opinion is 'Have fun....but in the end you're not going anywhere but back to the moon.'


Posted by gormworm on 08-12-2004 06:55 PM:

Many thanks for the insights, John Lear.
I plan to track down & download the matrix documents next.

Question:
No specific details are asked for here.
But if you're in a position to share any, .. I'd be grateful.

Based on what you know of underground bases and the MIEC, ... is purchasing land near an underground base for the purposes of shooting video footage of UFOs (and growing vegetables) an incredibly suicidal and foolhardy idea that you would never dream of doing?

After witnessing “something” in the mountains and sky all around Fallon, Fernley, and Winnemucca a few weeks ago, ... (a weapons test? ... a battle?) ... I’m at a loss to explain to myself why I feel so compelled to purchase the property and spend so much time there.

If you’d care to offer any insights, ... or URLs that lead to insights, ... I’d be VERY grateful indeed.

Let me know if you’d like some VHS tapes of strange arial phenomena from Humbolt county.
I don’t know what to do with the stuff.

I just shoot it, ..write down the dates and times, .. and look at it in amazement.


Posted by johnlear on 08-12-2004 07:17 PM:

If you’d care to offer any insights, ... or URLs that lead to insights, ... I’d be VERY grateful indeed.L [/B][/QUOTE]

Regarding the purchase of land to film operations is probably not suicidal. If thats what floats your boat, hey, go for it. When Bob Lazar took us out to watch the flying saucer test flight at Groom Lake that was all I needed. Just to see it once to know it was real. (March 21, 1989, I will never forget that date!!!). I'll pass on the aerial lights VHS, but thanks anyway. The area around Fallon is always busy with all the Navy training out of the NAS there.On the highway (50) between Sand Mountain and West Gate is "The Thing In the Desert". It is a heavily guarded, weird looking Navy complex. They have a special name for it but I can't remember what it is (CENTCOM or something like that). I think this is where all the radar and communications center for all the training around that area is.


Posted by gormworm on 08-12-2004 07:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by johnlear
The area around Fallon is always busy with all the Navy training out of the NAS there.On the highway (80) between Sand Mountain and West Gate is "The Thing In the Desert". It is a heavily guarded, weird looking Navy complex. They have a special name for it but I can't remember what it is (CENTCOM or something like that). I think this is where all the radar and communications center for all the training around that area is. [/B]


I've seen it from highway 80.
Thanks for the explanation.
You're the first person I've spoken with who has been able to shed any light on this.

The gamblers and ranchers that I've spoken with complain about the strange "leukemia" that has killed so many people, ... the birth defects, ... the missing cattle, ... the missing people, ... and the strange "explosive lights" and UFOs that seem to occur frequently throughout Humbolt county.

Much of it is, ... no doubt, ... some kind of military technology being developed and tested, .. or just being used in military exercises.

The stuff that I find to be the most amazing, .. is the stuff that turns up on my video tape, .. after I've been shooting an area of empty sky.

I approach UFO video spotting the same way that Art Bell's "ghost hunters" approach capturing EVP.

With EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena), .. you take your tape recorder into an area that is said to have ghost activity, ... record a few hours of tape, ... and listen carefully to the recording later on to see what's there (if anything).

I haven't listened to my video tapes for any EVPs.
But I've captured lots of interesting things on the tapes that I can't yet identify.

Someday, .. I'll get a life and stop spending so much time with this stuff.
But for the moment, ... I'm hooked.


Posted by johnlear on 08-12-2004 09:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by gormworm
I've seen it from highway 80.
Thanks for the explanation.
You're the first person I've spoken with who has been able to shed any light on this.

The gamblers and ranchers that I've spoken with complain about the strange "leukemia" that has killed so many people, ... the birth defects, ... the missing cattle, ... the missing people, ... and the strange "explosive lights" and UFOs that seem to occur frequently throughout Humbolt county.

Much of it is, ... no doubt, ... some kind of military technology being developed and tested, .. or just being used in military exercises.

The stuff that I find to be the most amazing, .. is the stuff that turns up on my video tape, .. after I've been shooting an area of empty sky.

I approach UFO video spotting the same way that Art Bell's "ghost hunters" approach capturing EVP.

With EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena), .. you take your tape recorder into an area that is said to have ghost activity, ... record a few hours of tape, ... and listen carefully to the recording later on to see what's there (if anything).

I haven't listened to my video tapes for any EVPs.
But I've captured lots of interesting things on the tapes that I can't yet identify.

Someday, .. I'll get a life and stop spending so much time with this stuff.
But for the moment, ... I'm hooked.



I meant hiway 50. Also I think the same of the place is the "Centroid"...but still checking. I drove up to the gate once and then turned around. In 1977 I drove in the road to Groom Lake and got as far as the lake bed (there was no guard shack on the other side in those days.) Security asked me to leave. Then a few years later me and Jim Goodall drove up to the guard shack and were asked to leave. One day me and Jim Goodall drove onto the runway located 10 miles north of Warm Springs on hiway 6 just north of the test site. Some yo-yo asked us to leave. Then we drove down to the north gate of the Tonopah Test Range and set up our lawn chairs just outside the gate at sunset. Guards appeared and surrounded us and they asked for our ID's. The guard who was reading our ID's looked up and said, "Hey its John Lear and Jim Goodall" then he looked at us and said, "Hey guys is something going on?"


Posted by gormworm on 08-12-2004 09:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by johnlear
Then we drove down to the north gate of the Tonopah Test Range and set up our lawn chairs just outside the gate at sunset. Guards appeared and surrounded us and they asked for our ID's. The guard who was reading our ID's looked up and said, "Hey its John Lear and Jim Goodall" then he looked at us and said, "Hey guys is something going on?"


ROFLMAO.

There's a complex on the east side of highway 80 (in front of / inside of a mountain) on the way to Fallon that is very strange looking.

The exits from the highway are few and far between in that area, .. but at 60 MPH, .. traveling on highway 80 north from Reno, .. I pass the complex about 45 minutes before I come to the federal prison complex that also comes up on the right side of the highway.

The front portion of the "strange complex" consists of high, flat mounds of earth, .... that are composed of red, yellow, and blue dirt (?) that is of a different color and texture than the surrounding soil.
These don’t look like normal hills nor low mountains by any stretch of the imagination.
The sides of the mounds have a clean cut angle to them.
Wide at the bottom, .. getting narrower at the top.
The sides of all of the mounds are clean, .. and all have the same clean-cut angle to them.
They all look perfectly flat and level on top.
There are some structures, and what looks at a distance like razor wire fences on top of some of these flat mounds, ... with some dirt roads.

There is a vein of some kind of red, rocky granite that shoots upward from the alluvial fan of the surrounding mountain range, ... just above where the flat mounds blend into the side of the mountain.


There's a place on one of the north-west faces of one of the mountain peaks where a flat, vertical cliff face of solid rock is discolored in the center of the surface.
There is a white outline to the discoloration, with what looks like rings of blue and rust colored minerals in roughly the shape of a rounded diamond or arrowhead.

This is the "underground complex" that I've discussed with the local gamblers at Winner's Casino in Winnemucca.
There are a couple of fellows there who have assured me that this is an underground military base, ... and that UFOs fly in and out of the discolored rock surface on the cliff face from time to time.

I don't know who owns the land next to the freeway that I'm driving past when I see this thing.
But I've had the occasional fantasy of driving out there some night, .. cutting the barbed wire fence that lines the highway, .. driving onto the property a few miles, ... and shooting a few hours of video footage of that cliff face just to see if anything turns up on the tape when I play it back later on.

Just a fantasy, .. mind you.
So far, anyway.


Posted by ChrisfromCanada on 08-18-2004 10:33 AM:

could you take pictures of the base anytime soon?


Posted by dbird on 08-20-2004 06:33 AM:

Thumbs up

Great thread guys! I thought I was the only one out there collecting stacks of free information from the internet on this stuff. I'm a bit compulsive so I spend much of my time downloading articles, reformatting them in Word, correcting grammar errors, and printing them off at work so I can read and highlight them before filing them away. (I want to have a collection of hard copies in case the powers that be find a way to lock-down the internet in the future).

About the MATRIX material: some of the best best articles I've read online have come from the first three books. I decided to splurge on the newest book, MATRIX 5, and was VERY disappointed. It's nothing like the first ones. I fully agree with Lear's viewpoint on it--it's full of ego-building, over the top New Age viewpoints and is NOTHING like the first books.

I think some of my personal favorite material has come from a few short articles I've found from Robert Morningsky. The first two are very short and quick reads, I'd love to hear everyone's opinion on them:

The Suppressed History of Planet Earth - http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/rmsterra.html

Parallels between the Hopi and Sumerian Cultures - http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/parallel.htm

Star Warriors (longer article) - http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/hopigrey.html

BTW- I'd be interested to hear opinions about the Neruda interviews linked to earlier in the thread, they are really what started me on my journey into the world of extraterrestrials and the NWO (besides C2C).

Oh, and if anyone knows how I can obtain any of R. Morningsky's books please let me know. He pretty much disappeared a couple of years ago after his house was ransacked and an attempt on his life was made.

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Posted by gormworm on 08-20-2004 09:13 PM:

Many thanks for posting the links & info.


quote:
Originally posted by dbird
BTW- I'd be interested to hear opinions about the Neruda interviews linked to earlier in the thread, they are really what started me on my journey into the world of extraterrestrials and the NWO (besides C2C).


When talking about the writing of the X-Files' episode "Jose Chung's: From Outer Space", .. genius screenplay writer Darin Morgan once commented that he found the "Doctor Neruda / Wing-Makers" material to be highly suspect simply because it was written in "pulp fiction" format.

A mutation of this comment appears in Morgan's teleplay script of "Jose Chung's: From Outer Space".
Jose Chung comments to Dana Scully that the eye-witness testimony of a first hand encounter with the alien being "Lorg Kimboat" is written in screenplay format.

Beyond that, ... I find the Neruda material to be very compelling.

I have no idea if there's any REAL truth to it or not.
But I've taken to collecting video documentaries on Chaco Canyon ever since reading it.


Posted by gormworm on 08-20-2004 09:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisfromCanada
could you take pictures of the base anytime soon?


I'm working on it.

I've shots LOTS of video tape.
No digital pics yet.


Posted by dbird on 08-21-2004 12:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by gormworm

Beyond that, ... I find the Neruda material to be very compelling.

I have no idea if there's any REAL truth to it or not.
But I've taken to collecting video documentaries on Chaco Canyon ever since reading it.


Actually I just remembered something very interesting... I have a video of military testimonies for "Project Disclosure" and my ears perked up when one of the witnesses said something about his investigation being taken over by the "ACIO." I've never heard of this group before outside the Neruda Papers.

BTW... quick google search led me to this link on the Wingmakers site - http://www.wingmakers.com/arrow/acio/acio1.html

Pretty interesting. The first memo linked to is supposedly from the Director of Special Projects in the ACIO. If you're reading out there J. Lear, could you provide any insight on whether this group actually exists?


Posted by bigdaddy on 09-03-2004 09:43 PM:

Post sitchins work

i am a big believer in sitchins work,the fact that he points out in the lost realms that the native americans are the lost tribe of cain.... =vindication for mr.sitchin


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