Originally posted by bobbo
Let's parse:
How is speculating about Obama being involved with the CIA creating hate? /// Ambiguous. Implies there is no hate being created? Does the "how" exactly matter if the fact of its existence is so Demonstrable that the Repbulican Party has been taken over by this paranoia?
So, saying Bush was CIA is OK? It is so farfetched that yet another president has intelligence ties? I don't care what republicans think, I think for myself. I don't buy into either party's propaganda if I can avoid it, which I can.
There is ample president precedent. The CIA creates more hate in this world each decade than a trillion of me could possibly do by speculating on wide-ranging topics. /// Ambiguous. You appear to be agreeing the CIA creates hate but Obama being involved with the CIA is a separate issues. Dots yet to have been identified. But all still fatally ambiguous.
It is easy to prove the CIA has caused hate. It is not easy to prove that thinking that obama has CIA ties causes hate. These are 2 different things. Being involved in the CIA doesn't mean you have assassinated someone.
It is a conspiracy theory, a theory about a conspiracy. But, they are a waste of time, so let's not investigate any more terrorist stuff, gang killings, mortgage scams, well, anything involving 2 or more people involved in breaking the law. /// Rags point is just he opposite. Conspiracy theories are a distraction helping the USA NOT to pay attention to mortgage scams. Thats not actually true because the USA does more than two things at a time all the time. It is true the Media tends to only run highlighting one issue at a time but that is popular media attention. Not the totality of everything. But there is a reality that is subject to a conspiracy of import: the mortgage scams. Why no prosecutions? I haven't liked Obama's decision on issues near to this from the get go. Conspiracy or more likely just a convergence of independent interests and lack thereof. Is "MONEY" in general a conspiracy?
If it is a group of 2 or more people involved in illegal activity, then yes. Mortgage scams are a conspiracy. My point is that calling outlandish theories conspiracy theories is the opposite of what people want that to mean. Trying to say something is not worth looking into because it is a conspiracy theory just makes no sense. Call it a silly theory or a useless theory, which is what is meant.
Because there is never any hard proof, /// there is hard proof for almost everything. Only takes desire, time, interest to feret it out.
Yes, quite... this is my point.
and then Seal Team Six comes in and blows you away without due process. /// OBL is unique.
Really? How so?
I quote:
"Assessments of the results of the attacks differ.[11] Daniel Byman from the Brookings Institution suggests that drone strikes may kill "10 or so civilians" for every militant killed.[12] In contrast, the New America Foundation has estimated that 80 percent of those killed in the attacks were militants.[13] The Pakistani military has stated that most of those killed were hardcore Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.[14] The Bureau of Investigative Journalism based on extensive research found that at least 385 civilians were among the dead out of a total of between 1658 and 2597 killed.[15] The CIA believes that the strikes conducted since May 2010 have killed over 600 militants and not caused any civilian fatalities.[11]" (this is only about Pakistan strikes).
So, all these people got due process?
Or we drone you. //// Drones are overseas.
So it is OK to assassinate foreigners with no charges laid, no proof of their misdeeds, in fact no confirmation of their identity?
Seems pretty convenient how conspiracy theories are put to work sometimes. Just depends if you like the person or not? //// No. They are all bad. As Rags says: waste of time. Fodder for the irrelevant. One of my favs: Did Oswald act alone? The Kennedy Family accepted the Warren Report with all its flaws. Maybe they are part of the conspiracy "the Conspiracy" nice ambiguous reference, and if they are satisfied/shut up/not making an issue==we all have better things to do.
Perhaps some of us are not assuaged by these commitees employing the very people who would have to have been involved in the original conspiracy. Perhaps some of us enjoy trying to eke truth out of ambiguity.
Or we can't have conspiracies involving people inside the USA? Or just not about government? /// Case by Case. Its the details that count. Takes a Revolution?
Indeed case by case.
Fodder for the irrelevant.
Fodder for the irrelevant is sports, television, newspapers, hollywood, mainstream music and movies.
Anyways, I keep an open mind, and that is all I ever said, that I don't find it unbelievable that this could be true. There is enough mystery and sealed documents to make many people wonder what is true and what is not.