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I am still trying to figure out why *my* post was deleted. I was nicer in what I said than many, even though I agree with them. Yes, I know what I just said is calling out, but I don't really care at this point.

Corvid - I know your intent is serious, but thank you for providing the humor. We need that, probably more than anything else.

Many hot air balloons may be stomped along the way, but that is a vital part of the journey.

If it is impossible to refute the claims that I printed at the start of this thread, then what does that fact tell you, RIGHT THERE, huh?

Rumike - I apologize for that, in retrospect. I was mostly trying to avoid the direction this whole topic has gone in, I guess. And, now I can see that was not good thinking on my part.

Linnea wrote: Rumike - I apologize for that, in retrospect. I was mostly trying to avoid the direction this whole topic has gone in, I guess. And, now I can see that was not good thinking on my part.

Thank you, Linnea. I appreciate that. I can only say that I am searching for the truth - if that leads to conspiracies or UFOs or quantum physics or hard science, it's all good. But I am a skeptic, and I'm afraid that isn't going to change anytime soon.

Originally posted by joequinn
If it is impossible to refute the claims that I printed at the start of this thread, then what does that fact tell you, RIGHT THERE, huh?

Well...that maybe there can be no useful discussion of the actual assertions? You may have a valid point there.

Rumike, I consider myself to be a skeptic as well - when it comes to actual reality based conclusions. I am guilty of having an open mind though - which easily accommodates wild speculation. To a point.

Smilies indeed

I've just spent a few minutes searching for "Obama conspiracy theories" to see how this one fits in - also to see if I can find any info on this one.

Some of the stuff is pretty far out there, terrorist bombings while a student at Columbia, gay affairs with disabled drug addicts in the back of a limousine, a secret girlfriend forced to leave the country, etc......

Then there is all the birther stuff - interesting how that one has gained so much traction as compared to these other conspiracy theories (for the record, I think he is a citizen).

In that respect, Joe does remind me of John Lear. Possibly reporting all that he hears - with little, or no evidence to support his claims. Let me be clear though, I mean no disrespect to either of them. I find both to be fascinating, and enjoy reading or listening to both of them as well. There is much truth in what Joe has to say, one just needs to find it between the lines. In this case, the lines are blurred by a lot of Obama stuff - I think that between the lines though, he's hot on a story about CIA involvement in operating the highest levels of our government - bingo, a topic that could prove fascinating in it's own right.

joequinn wrote: If it is impossible to refute the claims that I printed at the start of this thread, then what does that fact tell you, RIGHT THERE, huh?

It tells me that they are impossible to prove as well. Right?

Originally posted by Kaztronic
It tells me that they are impossible to prove as well. Right?

Yes. Exactly.

Originally posted by SquidInk
It's difficult to refute/prove the Obama situation because, as you stated, the critical records have been sealed away. After all, it is a conspiracy, and conspiracies are designed to be difficult to expose.

SquidInk 'got it' and posted this up a ways back.

Let me rephrase myself: if it is impossible to refute the claims that I printed at the start of this thread BECAUSE THE MATERIAL THAT WOULD DECIDE THEIR TRUTH OR FALSITY HAS BEEN SEQUESTERED FROM THE PUBLIC, then what does this fact tell you, RIGHT THERE, huh?

All I wanted to know was where he 'read' it and/or who 'told' him, as he indicated. I wasn't asking for 'proof.' Just a simple 'where'd you read/hear this?' so I could access the same information, and draw my own conclusion. Seemed a fair enough request, to me.

And BTW, I think MOST members of this forum are skeptics. We wouldn't even BE here otherwise, I think. That's the nature of being a Pirate and an Art Bell fan in the first place; isn't it? Some things any one of us believe would be classified as 'conspiracy theories,' or just plain ol' wacko, by the majority of people. UFOs? NDEs? OBEs? Y2K? Mind blasts? I mean, really, we are all on the fringe one way or another anyhow; aren't we? And most of us have open minds -- "to a point," as Linnea said. It's that point that differs among us, perhaps. But we are, by our very nature, all skeptical in some fashion of what is commonly accepted as 'true.'

Who says it's impossible, Joe? You? More like no one really wants to bother, under the circumstances. IMHO.

Anyhow, I'm done. I'm gonna go clean something.