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[Shirleypal]

Div no one seems to have a problem on this forum with the religion deck, I will say it again in my opinon you are comparing apples with oranges.............religeon is taken on faith by some and if you take government on faith you are a fool, will not you but you know what I mean.

[majda]

- THAT is still hearsay. And wouldn't even talking about THAT be construed as propaganda, particularly if it came across as pro-religious?

Further, would anyone ever be able to speak of them space aliens ever again here either (where's the carcass? where's your triangular spaceship?). Proof man, I need proof - ha!

Hey Div, you old slokerdank! You are talking about abstruse or perhaps esoteric things above. Totally different than taking current events, misconstruing details purposely, adding a dab of lies, a pinch of B.S. about who they know who just happens to know everything, demeaning others, and then presenting their side as 100% pure fact. There is a big difference.

[Free Spirit]

In your opinion of course, right?

I see no distinction today between politics and god/religion! Some say you can't even separate the two! Some even go so far to say that their politics is UNDER GOD. In fact, I could probably make a case that all of these various GODs and RELIGIONs of the world got us into this political mess we're in today.

Maybe all of this is not really an issue of what is true and what is false, right or wrong. This is all beginning to sound like an issue related to fear - fear of those that disagree, and wanting to SILENCE THEM and take away their tongue, as opposed to getting at the truth.

I mean, it's easy to merely skip over what you don't agree with, right, so what point and purpose would one have in mind then when we start going after the throats of those that we disagree with rather than their ideas? I think THAT is where someone else is no longer pushing THEIR agenda and propaganda, but trying to silence others that they disagree with.

If you are selling apples, and I am selling oranges, why not attack the orange and how horrible they are for you compared to apples? What I see happening instead are apple dealers wanting to slice the throats of orange dealers because they feel threatened by them. Frankly, if apples are better than oranges, don't worry about them orange dealers - the PEOPLE can decide and choose what they want to eat themselves. There is no need to dictate any of that to them, right?

My opinion of course ...

Gotta go with Div on this one...

[teresius]

div, free spirit, look at it like this.
you're growing apples. harry carey is growing oranges next door to you (yes, harry carey and just because). you both sell your crop on the same street. harry begins telling people that not only are your apples wormy (when they're not), stolen (also not), but that they were subsequently cursed by the witch that owned them and her kids friend ate one and TURNED INTO THE TACO BELL CHIHUAHA!!!
to me, that's essentially what happened and what the real issue was. not that she was just offering another opinion, but that she was just making up random nonsense to support it. it would have been more disturbing to me if she had been better at it. referencing mr. carey again, this would be the more cunning carey that only said that your apples were sprayed with bad chemical pesticides while his oranges were all organically grown. the great thing about this forum, though, is that we ALL HAVE INPUT! mr. carey's stall is RIGHT NEXT TO OURS!!! we can hear every word he says and vice versa.
i think that i've just officially belabored my point.
sorry.

[Divinorumus]

I don't care what anyone says about my apples, they have a right to say as they please. I don't presume humans are THAT STUPID that they can't see through all that and make up their own minds. And, maybe those that are THAT STUPID and that gullible don't deserve my apples - certainly I would prefer to trade with those that know better. I guess I have more faith and confidence in humanity to ultimately see through all the B.S. than you seem to be indicating you have of them. How did THAT happen? ha..

[teresius]

i think you misread my intent. i actually think that, since we're both here and can post what we think and feel, we can act as each others' foil. it's not like we can sneak around behind each others' backs and spread disinfo.
how do you like them apples?

[Divinorumus]

Here, have an apple .. seriously, they aren't as bad as you've been told and apparently lead to merely believe (certainly they don't compare to your flame broiled steaks - ha) ... and, neither is this other stuff in my garden you should try which they said is bad for you too.

Regardless of all things, GOOD will ALWAYS ULTIMATELY triumph in spite of disinfo and deceit and evil intentions. NO FEAR! If I felt threatened by disinfo, I'd have to re-evaluate MY values and my own beliefs, as they should be able to withstand even disinfo.

So, did you find any worms in that apple? No? Hey, now you know - ALL SHOULD DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES - as that is the ONLY way to know for sure what is DISINFO or NOT.

I'd like to hear it all and decide for myself. Don't worry, I'm not so easily distracted and persuaded by the dis/mis-informed and/or evil/wicked ones! I'm a big boy and can see through it all and can deal with it just fine. And, if anyone should actually get in MY way, why I'll run them over and leave them laying aside the road as an example for the next disinformant - ha, but I won't slit their throat or yank out their tongue.

When you are on the right path, you should fear nothing ! right ? (well, nothing except waterboarding - ha)

[Cynthia Lynn]

Teresius - I agree, censorship sucks. And that is one thing that has been an ongoing problem with this forum.

Have been giving a lot of thought to some of these issues. Instead of freedom of speech, we could look at freedom of expression - within a community. Maybe that is where we should look, and we would need a definition of what that community is.

One thing certain - do not want to host a forum that is fertile ground for political extremism (insert definition), disinformation, flaming or trolling.

There is much to discuss which does not include these.

Any thoughts on this?

*moving this post to a thread in the Ship's Galley/FF Community. We can continue a discussion there.

I've been reading Cherry's posts for years, and this is not a personal attack against her, but in my opinion, she is a partisan who lacks critical thinking skills.

When someone is gullible enough to parrot anything and everything a paid commentator says, then any attempt to engage that someone in any kind of meaningful debate is futile.

I'm a civil libertarian above all else and I certainly don't favor censorship, but in my opinion, the hard Right has been engaging in hateful rhetoric, distortion, outright lies and propaganda, and that alarms me.

News has always been separated from Commentary (which is the reason newspapers have an Editorial Page), but that line has become blurred in this country.

Today, one must be diligent and seek out the truth for oneself. One should never trust the words of an unobjective, paid commentator whether that commentator be employed by the Right or by the Left.

Yes, the Media has become a huge problem in America, and this lack of journalistic integrity could herald the downfall of our nation.

Therefore, I personally understand what you are saying, Linnea.

You don't wish to see the Politics Forum become yet another extension of the hard Right.

I'm sure you wouldn't allow it to become an extension of the hard Left either.

[Shirleypal]

Cynthia Lynn a very astute post, we have to use discernment at every turn and sometimes it is very difficult with our media bought and paid for.

[Waverider]

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Cynthia Lynn-
"Yes, the Media has become a huge problem in America, and this lack of journalistic integrity could herald the downfall of our nation.

Therefore, I personally understand what you are saying, Linnea."
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I think you are absolutely correct, CL'...

...and I believe that Linnea, just couldn't take the crappola any longer...

The FF' is her baby, and she can rock it, if she feels the need.

What I have noticed was Linn's main objection to Fascism' that has become rampant within our own government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Just a lil info'
http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?enc ... r&ie=UTF-8

I think we should always keep aware' and stay focused on what is going down in this country of ours.
Or is it theirs now?

Joequinn and others have been raving about this for years now...

... and the disinfo' from the media owned corporations has been heaped upon the weary public for years now...

I think we are all in harms way when digging for the truth and the understanding of it all'...

For myself I honor people that can righteously point to the truth of the matter.

Then we can choose more wisely if we want to be Fascist' Pigs or not'.

[HB3]

I'm sure you wouldn't allow it to become an extension of the hard Left either.

Hmm....

[Linnea]

Absolutely. Don't need any hard left propaganda for socialism or communism either.

[teresius]

first and foremost, have neamhain and black irish been planked? just to ease my mind...
secondly, where's the post here defining the new rules? was ist verboten, herr schultz?

[Linnea]

Yes. Neamhaim, Black Irish, SooSoo accounts were suspended as well.

The majority of the posters on the Fantastic Forum are libertarian/progressive/moderate - and that is how we are defining the community here.

[teresius]

um, ok?
i take it since there was no announcement, that this is not up for discussion.
i've had fun here, but it's time to say goodbye.
could somebody drop me an email when/if this new rule change is ever revoked?
thanks.
c-ya guys