Obama approves building mosque near WTC

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Post by MickMack » 08-23-2010 12:05 AM

I'm not sure this piece of information helps ... but ...
The presumed "Iman" , "Faisel Raul" has worked in the past , as an "informant" for the FBI , and also , for the "state dept." under the G.w. administration !?!?

I guess , for those who trust the "FBI" and the "fed. gov." , everything is allright ...
But , for those who don't , you've got a problem !!!
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Post by Psychicwolf » 08-23-2010 12:20 AM

Mr. Murdock himself regularly meets with world leaders and never close to his lackey media employees. The Prince is a dear friend of the Bush family and the Clintons. As for the Imman being an informant for the Feddies, that is not surprising at all. The machinations in this country and other "free" countries would stun people were it made public. Good thing the major information sources are all corporate owned so power is protected from the prying eyes of the "little" people.
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Post by Cynthia Lynn » 08-23-2010 03:15 AM

Please listen to this from CNN's Fareed Zakaria: It's only 2 minutes long.


Fareed Zakaria: The Ground Zero Community Center's Imam Follows A Liberal Form Of Islam

Have you heard of Sufi Islam? Well, Al Qaeda sure has.

It is the mystical brand of Islam that embraces a more liberal interpretation of the Koran. Sufism embraces music and song. It is an interpretation that Al Qaeda views as its mortal enemy.

It is also the sect of Islam embraced by the Imam of the Islamic center near Ground Zero.
Watch as Fareed takes a look at what lies behind Sufism...and why Al Qaeda's hatred of it should inform us about where Imam Rauf stands on the Islamic spectrum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyxVl_ATkIU

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Post by SquidInk » 08-23-2010 10:03 AM

Fareed Zakaria demonstrated far too much common sense (about 2 minutes' worth) for they typical American. Sufi? Well, that's not a popular angle of the story, is it.

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Post by Psychicwolf » 08-23-2010 10:58 AM

SquidInk wrote: Fareed Zakaria demonstrated far too much common sense (about 2 minutes' worth) for they typical American. Sufi? Well, that's not a popular angle of the story, is it.

No good can come of this. None at all.


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Post by HB3 » 08-23-2010 11:35 AM

The notion that sufism is the "good" or "peaceful" Islam is a well-timed misnomer, the latest propaganda from the GZM apologists.
Al—Ghazali, Medieval Sufism, Jihad and Dhimmitude

Let us begin with a towering figure in Muslim intellectual history, Al—Ghazali (1058—1111), who was born at Tus in Khurasan, near modern Meshed, Iran, and became a renowned theologian, jurist, and mystic. Al—Ghazali's early training was as a jurist, and he continued to have an interest in jurisprudence throughout his career, writing a work the Wadjiz, dated 1101, i.e., in the last decade of his life. The eminent Islamic scholar W.M. Watt stresses Al—Ghazali's Muslim orthodoxy. Watt maintains that Al—Ghazali was [3]

...acclaimed in both the East and West as the greatest Muslim after Muhammad, and he is by no means unworthy of that dignity...He brought orthodoxy and mysticism into closer contact...the theologians became more ready to accept the mystics as respectable, while the mystics were more careful to remain within the bounds of orthodoxy.

Al—Ghazali, a Sufi orthodox Muslim, and follower of the Shafi'i school of Islamic jurisprudence, wrote this about jihad war and the treatment of the vanquished non—Muslim dhimmi peoples, in the Wadjiz: [4]

[O]ne must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year...one may use a catapult against them [non—Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them...If a person of the Ahlal—Kitab [People of The Book — primarily Jews and Christians] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked...One may cut down their trees...One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide...they may steal as much food as they need...

[T]he dhimmi is obliged not to mention Allah or His Apostle...Jews, Christians, and Majians must pay the jizya [poll tax on non—Muslims]...on offering up the jizya, the dhimmi must hang his head while the official takes hold of his beard and hits [the dhimmi] on the protruberant bone beneath his ear [i.e., the mandible]... They are not permitted to ostentatiously display their wine or church bells...their houses may not be higher than the Muslim's, no matter how low that is. The dhimmi may not ride an elegant horse or mule; he may ride a donkey only if the saddle [—work] is of wood. He may not walk on the good part of the road. They [the dhimmis] have to wear [an identifying] patch [on their clothing], even women, and even in the [public] baths...[dhimmis] must hold their tongue....
Oh.

Much, much more at the link:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/05/sufi_jihad.html

But don't worry! They're sufis!
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Post by SETIsLady » 08-23-2010 11:43 AM

The notion that all Muslims are terrorists is ridiculous and just plain paranoia.

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Post by HB3 » 08-23-2010 11:46 AM

Iraqi representatives of the Naqshabandi Sufi order meet with Khaled Mashaal of Hamas, praise his jihad, donate jewelry to him, and boast of their own jihad attacks against Americans in Iraq.
"Hamas Leader Khaled Mash’al Meets with Iraqi Terrorists and Accepts Their Women’s Gold":

The following report was aired on Al-Rai TV (Syria) on January 22, 2009. It shows a meeting between the head of Hamas’ Political Bureau Khaled Mash’al and a delegation of Iraqi terrorists from the Men of the Naqshabandi Order Army organization. The meeting was held in the presence of the owner of Al-Rai TV, Mish’an Al-Jabouri, a Saddam loyalist, who is wanted in Iraq and lives in exile in Syria. In the meeting, the Naqshabandi delegation gave Mash’al gold jewelry donated by the women of the organization. The donation event was aired on Al-Rai TV on January 4, 2009, and is also presented in this clip.

Presenter: This gold jewelry may have been the only possession of the noble Naqshabandi women, who wanted to participate in the nation's Jihad in Gaza. They sent their donations with a delegation of the Army of the Naqshabandi Order, which was a guest of the head of Hamas' Political Bureau. They conveyed their congratulations for the victory of the resistance, and stressed their shared path and fate.

Member of the Iraqi delegation, reading a message from the Naqshabandi women: "We took upon ourselves to sacrifice our necklaces, our bracelets, and our gold jewelry, for the sake of our people in Gaza, even though this jewelry is needed for the liberation of Iraq. We believe this is what our tolerant Islamic shari'a dictates, since the battle against injustice, tyranny, and occupation is a common battle."

Presenter: The representative of the Naqshabandi Army, which has carried out many attacks as part of the Iraqi resistance against the American occupation, conveyed his pride in Hamas' victory over the Zionist entity, and in the steadfastness of Hamas' fighters.
But don't worry! They're sufis!

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Post by HB3 » 08-23-2010 11:47 AM

SETIsLady wrote: The notion that all Muslims are terrorists is ridiculous and just plain paranoia.


We're not talking about that, so please don't change the subject. We're talking about the notion that sufis never support terrorism.

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Post by SETIsLady » 08-23-2010 11:55 AM

This whole thread has pretty much been about the "evil Muslims" my comment is right on topic.

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Post by Psychicwolf » 08-23-2010 11:58 AM

Great piece by Frank Rich.;)
So virulent is the Islamophobic hysteria of the neocon and Fox News right — abetted by the useful idiocy of the Anti-Defamation League, Harry Reid and other cowed Democrats — that it has also rendered Gen. David Petraeus’s last-ditch counterinsurgency strategy for fighting the war inoperative. How do you win Muslim hearts and minds in Kandahar when you are calling Muslims every filthy name in the book in New York?

You’d think that American hawks invested in the Afghanistan “surge” would not act against their own professed interests. But they couldn’t stop themselves from placing cynical domestic politics over country. The ginned-up rage over the “ground zero mosque” was not motivated by a serious desire to protect America from the real threat of terrorists lurking at home and abroad — a threat this furor has in all likelihood exacerbated — but by the potential short-term rewards of winning votes by pandering to fear during an election season.

In the five months after The Times’s initial account there were no newspaper articles on the project at all. It was only in May of this year that the Rupert Murdoch axis of demagoguery revved up, jettisoning Ingraham’s benign take for a New York Post jihad. The paper’s inspiration was a rabidly anti-Islam blogger best known for claiming that Obama was Malcolm X’s illegitimate son. Soon the rest of the Murdoch empire and its political allies piled on, promoting the incendiary libel that the “radical Islamists” behind the “ground zero mosque” were tantamount either to neo-Nazis in Skokie (according to a Wall Street Journal columnist) or actual Nazis (per Newt Gingrich).


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/opini ... ef=general
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Post by HB3 » 08-23-2010 12:00 PM

SETIsLady wrote: This whole thread has pretty much been about the "evil Muslims" my comment is right on topic.


Well, that's helpful...

Here, I'll break it down for you.

There were just a series of posts claiming sufism is the antidote to "wahhabism," and is in some ways diametrically opposed to it.

That, in fact, may be a self-serving simplification at odds with the facts of history. This was illustrated through recourse to the words of the great sufi mystic, Al-Ghazali.

The end.

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Post by HB3 » 08-23-2010 12:03 PM

Psychicwolf wrote: In the five months after The Times’s initial account there were no newspaper articles on the project at all. It was only in May of this year that the Rupert Murdoch axis of demagoguery revved up


I'm sorry, but he didn't say "ginned up," so it looks like he missed a single left-wing talking point. Looks like he got everything else, though.

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Post by HB3 » 08-23-2010 12:07 PM

Was "ginned up" too, I don't know, proletarian? :D

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Post by HB3 » 08-23-2010 12:11 PM

Meanwhile....
Many More Now Following Mosque Controversy – And Don’t Like It
Monday, August 23, 2010

A lot more voters are paying attention to the plans to build a mosque near the Ground Zero site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York City, and they don’t like the idea.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 85% of U.S. voters say they are now following news stories about the mosque planned near Ground Zero. That’s a 34-point jump from a month ago when only 51% said they were following the story.

The new finding includes 58% who are following the story very closely, up from 22% in mid-July.

Now 62% oppose the building of a mosque near where the World Trade Center stood in Lower Manhattan, compared to 54% in the previous survey. Twenty-five percent (25%) favor allowing the mosque to go ahead, and 13% more are not sure.

Sixty-eight percent (68%) of the Political Class, however, favor building the mosque near Ground Zero. Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Mainstream voters are opposed.
Haters!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... _t_like_it

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