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Re: All Things Bernie

Post by Doka » 05-04-2016 09:06 AM

I seem to be watching all this with my mouth hanging open, any logic does not apply. I would love to know who are all these Democrate deligates are ? I know Bill Clinton is one, heck, as far as I know he is all of them?! Our Rule of Law is soooo broken, with the Constitution gone ,we have nothing to anchor too. So the rules are being made up by the TPTB as we go.

We have so many Big Deals going, "Wall Street " is just another blimp on the radar. We seem to be obsessed with European models, that don't really exist any longer. Their "mess" is different than our "mess" at the moment. I would think it would be hard to be a socialist with a broke country and broke people = no money to "redistribute" :shock:
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Re: All Things Bernie

Post by kbot » 05-04-2016 10:33 AM

Exit polls from Indiana showed that people there are very concerned about jobs and trade agreements - and they have concerns regarding the establishment candidate ability to do anything to reverse the trend of job losses
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Re: All Things Bernie

Post by kbot » 05-04-2016 10:48 AM

From Huff Post (of all things..........). Kinda funny reading it.........

Hillary Clinton Should Concede to Bernie Sanders Before The FBI Reveals Its Findings

Millions of Democrats are voting for a presidential candidate linked to an FBI criminal investigation. These voters either don’t know there’s been a year-long FBI investigation of Clinton’s emails, don’t care, or would vote for Clinton even she faced Espionage Act indictments. Potentially our next Commander in Chief will be interviewed by the FBI soon, as will her top aides. This state of affairs would never take place in any other leading democracy, but American politics is unique.

Bernie Sanders has political momentum, grass roots support throughout the nation, and defeats Donald Trump by a wider margin than Clinton. Sanders has surged to within several points nationally of Clinton, despite being over 50 points down not long ago. In contrast, Clinton lost astronomical leads to both Obama and Sanders, and doesn’t keep polling leads. Furthermore, Trump won’t watch his tone about emails, and every other scandal associated with both Clintons. The pedestrian polling lead Hillary Clinton currently holds over Donald Trump isn’t set in stone; Trump is already ahead of Clinton in a recent poll.


Don’t be certain Trump can’t defeat Clinton in a general election, even if the FBI doesn’t recommend indictments. Once he pivots towards being a semi-normal human being, and distances himself from the bigoted stances he utilized to gain power within the GOP, Clinton would face a more “likable” Trump. In a battle of two individuals with negative favorability ratings, the person who might have jeopardized national security with a private server could easily lose.

In the best case scenario, Clinton doesn’t face indictments, but the FBI confirms that she jeopardized national security. Thus, Republicans would make even the best case scenario for Clinton’s campaign a major political liability. America isn’t a closed Democratic primary, and Clinton would be on the defensive during every televised debate against Trump.

This dynamic doesn’t exist with Bernie Sanders against Trump. All Bernie has to do is point and explain to America that Trump embodies everything wrong with money and politics. Bernie doesn’t have any controversies, or hidden Wall Street transcripts. Bernie also didn’t accept money from Donald Trump, but Hillary Clinton did take Trump’s money. While Bernie can distance himself completely, Clinton is too closely tied to the eventual GOP nominee, especially through their social networks. There’s a reason Trump invited the Clintons, and not Bernie and Jane Sanders, to his wedding. There’s also a reason Trump goes golfing with Bill, and not Bernie.

However, the biggest reason Clinton should concede to Bernie Sanders involves the political repercussions of the FBI’s email investigation. The long-term future of the Democratic Party rests upon whether or not the FBI discloses its findings before, or after the contested Democratic convention. While I believe Bernie Sanders will win the Democratic nomination, there’s a major issue few people have addressed in progressive circles.

What happens if Clinton wins the nomination, and the FBI recommends indictments after July 25, 2016?

If the FBI recommends indictments, and the DOJ indicts Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party would be handing Donald Trump the White House by nominating the former Secretary of State. I explain in this YouTube segment why Clinton should concede the Democratic nomination to Bernie Sanders, before the political ramifications of a contested convention, and before the FBI discloses its findings.

First, there used to be a time in American history when Bernie Sanders would be the only choice for Democratic nominee. Not long ago, an FBI investigation meant the end of a presidential campaign. Clinton would have been forced to conceded at any point in U.S. history before 2016, linked to a criminal FBI investigation.

Unfortunately, the inept Republican Party, combined with Bill and Hillary Clinton’s uncanny ability to circumvent scandal, have made even FBI investigations morally relative. Because of Ken Starr, Benghazi hearings, and the notion that anything Republicans advocate must either be a conspiracy, or some plot to harm Hillary Clinton, voters simply roll their eyes at controversy. I addressed why only Hillary Clinton is capable of enduring these issues during my CNN New Day appearance.

Second, millions of loyal Hillary supporters would still vote for Clinton, even if the FBI recommended Espionage Act indictments. Since “gross negligence” can be used to prosecute Clinton under the Espionage Act, and since convenience wasn’t the reason for owning a private server, indictments are likely. Also, if indictments become a reality, the fracture within the Democratic Party, caused by people who’d still vote for a candidate facing criminal indictment, would be irreparable. The rest of the world would either be laughing, or in disbelief, that Clinton decided to continue her campaign for the presidency (with supporters still loyal), even with the threat of jail time. Rest assured, even more Bernie supporters would refuse to vote for Clinton, if her campaign continued its quest for the White House, alongside criminal indictments.

Then there’s the likelihood of criminal charges. Every “legal scholar” or pundit defending Clinton assumes that merely convenience, or absent-mindedness, was the reason for a private server. Since there was almost certainly political utility involved in circumventing U.S. government networks, the DOJ has intent and motive to indict Clinton.

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Re: All Things Bernie

Post by Doka » 05-04-2016 11:19 AM

kbot wrote:Exit polls from Indiana showed that people there are very concerned about jobs and trade agreements - and they have concerns regarding the establishment candidate ability to do anything to reverse the trend of job losses

Yes, but the question is: Is Bernie? Will he trade out his ideological beliefs to make things better for the people? He is not establishment, but he still has the same socialist bent as Obama and Hillary. Like I have said, I have no problem with "Socialism", the biggest flaw is in the funding, the rich (not enough of them) and the already financially stressed (middle class and the poor). This "Rob from the middle class and the poor, to GIVE to the middle class and the poor" Is totally INSANE !! People just have no idea, what is happening to them, they hear the GOOD part, not the rest of the story. :shock:
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Post by Riddick » 05-04-2016 12:45 PM

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kbot wrote:Exit polls from Indiana showed that people there are very concerned about jobs and trade agreements - and they have concerns regarding the establishment candidate ability to do anything to reverse the trend of job losses
Yes, but the question is: Is Bernie? Will he trade out his ideological beliefs to make things better for the people?
Is the Bear Catholic? Does a Pope sleep in the woods? Of COURSE Bernie will do whatever it takes to improve the lot of the masses. It's his life's work. Defender of the defenseless, friend of the friendless, he can't be bought and will never sell out.

Folks love Bernie because they know a REAL AMERICAN when they see one

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But WAIT! There's MORE

Post by Riddick » 05-04-2016 12:49 PM

kbot wrote:From Huff Post (of all things..........). Kinda funny reading it.........

Hillary Clinton Should Concede to Bernie Sanders Before The FBI Reveals Its Findings
Yeah, like that's gonna happen. 'Course, this is no ordinary presidential election year. Stranger things have ALREADY happened. Six months ago who'da thot The Donald would be in a position to cinch the Republican nomination

Six months until the general election, who's to say things won't get even stranger? The GOP Establishment may try a 3rd party bid - Yet, beyond just a Triple Threat matchup? With Berniemania running wild, we could even see a FATAL FOUR WAY!


The Case for Sanders Running as an Independent, If Clinton Is the Nominee

By H.A. Goodman @ HuffPo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodm ... 03982.html

EXCERPT

For the record, I still believe Bernie Sanders will become president, especially since the FBI is conducting a criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails and server.

According to The Daily Banter recently, “She almost certainly isn’t going to be indicted.” This is about as reassuring as phrases like “It’s highly unlikely you won’t die from this medication,” and “Don’t worry, the brakes on your car have an 85% chance of working.”

In reality, what loyal supporters of Hillary Clinton fail to realize is that even best case scenarios (she doesn’t get indicted, but the FBI confirms Obama’s assertion that she was “careless”), will only hurt Clinton’s already low national favorability ratings.

Six months before Election Day, she’s not far from Trump in terms of negative favorability ratings, and in some polls, Trump is seen as more trustworthy.

If Clinton circumvents political repercussions from storing 22 Top Secret emails on a private server, and becomes Democratic nominee, there are alternatives for Bernie Sanders. I state the case for Bernie Sanders to run as an independent, if he must, in this YouTube video.

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Re: All Things Bernie

Post by Riddick » 05-08-2016 02:10 AM

Sanders Nets 31 Delegates In Washington, But Loses In Guam

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has cut into Hillary Clinton's lead by more than two dozen delegates, based on new data from Washington state.

In Guam, the party said Clinton won 60 percent of the vote to earn four of the seven delegates at stake. Sanders will pick up three delegates.

Meanwhile, at Maine's state convention on Saturday, party officials said Sanders ultimately gained one additional delegate — and Clinton lost one — after he picked up additional support following the state's March 6 caucus.

Still, even with the additional delegates for Sanders, his mathematical chances of winning the nomination haven't improved.

Based on primaries and caucuses to date, Clinton now has 1,705 delegates while Sanders has 1,415 — or a lead of 290 delegates, according to the AP count.

When including superdelegates — party officials who can support any candidate, Clinton has a total of 2,228 delegates, or more than 93 percent of the 2,383 delegates needed to win. Sanders has 1,454.

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Re: All Things Bernie

Post by Riddick » 05-08-2016 02:26 AM

Sanders Poised For May Win Streak
Upcoming primaries give him reasons to believe

Sanders is well-positioned for wins in the upcoming West Virginia and Oregon primaries. That might explain his it’s-just-a-flesh-wound approach to the nearly insurmountable delegate math confronting him, and his dogged insistence that he’s taking his long-shot presidential campaign all the way to the July Democratic convention.

Sanders points to his record of winning 18 states and the narrow margin separating him and Clinton in national polls as cause for remaining in the race. He contends that he’s the strongest Democratic candidate against presumptive GOP front-runner Donald Trump, and holds out hope that more super delegates in the states where he won will ultimately line up in his camp.

Clinton allies shrug off the prospect of impending Sanders victories, noting that they won’t affect the ultimate outcome. And the campaign itself has already begun shifting into general election mode.

For Hillary Clinton, the prospect of additional Sanders wins is more headache than threat. But even if there’s little chance the Vermont senator can win the nomination, every victory raises new questions about why Clinton can’t finish him off.

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Re: All Things Bernie

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Riddick wrote: Clinton allies shrug off the prospect of impending Sanders victories, noting that they won’t affect the ultimate outcome...............
Code for everything's already been decided and this is all a freak show"?????
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Bernie's Math Problem

Post by Riddick » 05-10-2016 04:26 PM

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Bernie's Other Math Problem

Post by Riddick » 05-10-2016 04:28 PM

Remember those superdelegates, the Democratic Party leaders and elected officials who can vote for the candidate of their choice? The ones Sanders' supporters have been complaining about for months?

It turns out, to have a shot at beating out Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination for president, he needs them. A lot of them.

He needs the ones who remain uncommitted, as well as more than 200 of those who have already publicly endorsed Clinton. Mathematically, Sanders cannot win the nomination without that support. FULL STORY
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Post by Riddick » 05-11-2016 01:29 AM

Media Silent As Bernie Sanders Packs California Stadium Beyond Capacity (PHOTOS)

The media’s strategy of ignoring the Sanders movement until it goes away is clearly failing miserably. Enthusiasm for Sanders was expected to dwindle as his prospects for the nomination became less encouraging, yet people are still showing up for Bernie by the tens of thousands wherever he goes.

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Re: All Things Bernie

Post by Doka » 05-11-2016 10:40 AM

I look at all those people who , have not a clue to the Dark Side that true Socialism can bring............ :confused:
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Post by Raggedyann » 05-11-2016 02:56 PM

Doka wrote:I look at all those people who , have not a clue to the Dark Side that true Socialism can bring............ :confused:
Crony capitalism is working so well huh? The 45 million people that work but can't pay their rent or put food on the table or the people that have lost their their jobs to even cheaper labour outside the US, can probably tell you what the dark side looks like. Oh and then there's all those home owners who were given mortgages so a bunch of punks could play Wall Street bingo with their lives. That game had a resounding affect around the world.

As the greed trend shows no sign of changing, pretty soon you won't have to look too far to chat with all these innocent people as the dark side is growing as planned.

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Re: All Things Bernie

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Bernie Sanders’ Wife Drove a Vermont College INTO MASSIVE DEBT
February 17, 2016 by A Leister


One of the reasons Bernie Sanders is doing well with Millennials is because he’s promising free college for everyone.

In an ultimate twist of irony, his wife Jane Sanders used to be the head of Burlington College in Vermont and racked up large debts for the small school which almost caused its ruin. Can you say metaphor?

Politico reported:
What happened at Sanders U.

When Jane Sanders was in charge of a small private college in Vermont for seven years, it sank deep into debt while trying to expand its campus. Many students took out tens of thousands of dollars in loans to attend, but their investment was questionable: Only a third of former Burlington College students earn more than the average person with a high school diploma.

Jane Sanders’ husband, presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, has offered a higher-education plan that would make tuition at public colleges free. But it would do little to prod colleges, public or private, to keep costs down or ensure that a college degree is worthwhile for graduates.

Jane Sanders, who led Burlington College from 2004 to 2011, spent millions on a new campus — 33 acres along the bank of Lake Champlain — to attract more students and donations from alumni. It didn’t work: The college failed to recruit enough students or donations to repay its debts and even came close to losing its accreditation.
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