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Re: And the freak-out continues

Post by Doka » 01-04-2018 09:03 PM

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Marxist Socialism (really the only kind of Socialism) : Government takes money from the people, to run government healthcare, eventually every thing, grocery stores and all else, government run. No Privately Owned Businesses of ANY flavor NOT allowed, that would be Capitalism a most hated and to be down rated and disposed of , or government owned. Remember when Obamie had a sh#t fit about some successful private company saying "YOU , Didn't build that!" Meaning.....The Government ALLOWED you to build.

Countries known for their Socialism : Union of Soviet Socialist Republics The USSR , the old Russian government included all these countries:

Russia
Ukraine
Belarus
Uzbek
Kazahn
Georgia
Azerbijani
Lithuania
Moldovan
Latvia
Kyrgyz
Tajik
Armenia
Turkman
Eastonia
later on :
East Poland, East Germany,Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria.

Bet you don't even know that these countries existed...........All Socialist, when Soviet Socialist Regime finally went totally broke and fell there was nothing left but starving People.
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Re: And the freak-out continues

Post by Riddick » 01-04-2018 09:46 PM

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Bet you don't even know that these countries existed...........All Socialist, when Soviet Socialist Regime finally went totally broke and fell there was nothing left but starving People.
Starving people? You mean like in Venezuela?

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Re: And the freak-out continues

Post by Doka » 01-05-2018 04:06 AM

Well, I wasn't done yet......... :D

Venezuela

The Bolivarian Revolution refers to a left-wing populism social movement and political process in Venezuela led by the late Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, the founder of the Fifth Republic Movement and later the United Socialist Party of Venezuela.

Hugo's government took really good care of the people, took just about every thing they had to give. But, he hand picked
Nicolás Maduro to replace him after his death and of course he WON the election. Maduro, sqeezed the last ounce of humanity out of them to the point ,that events of cannibalism where said to have taken place.

Africa

Approximately 35 Countries out of around 54 countries in Africa are Socialists and proudly so. Some even state that they marching towards Communism. I have always been hard pressed to find the differences between Socialism and Communism, Perhaps someone can point out the differences to me.

Cuba


Government :Unitary Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic (Communist)

The Castro regime is very rich , a very conservative figure of $100 Million has been tossed around. Workers get maybe $2 to $3 dollars a month, Doctors get as much as $20.00. They are cared for from cradle to grave. No crime and no complaining. There are harsh consequences to stay aware of. Human Rights do NOT exist. Nor do political parties. Voting is not necessary.


China

Government: Unitary one-party socialist republic

China dropped it's "One Child" policy some time ago, it didn't work and created some unforeseen consequences.
The peoples of China where all in poverty, (poverty ,makes people Sooo much easier to control)

In the last Decade China embraced Capitalism, the standard of living sky rocketed. The Government and the people all have more money available to them. They are the largest Exporters in the World, (Don't we know!?).

They are no longer "The Garbage Dump" of the world. And are a Country to be reckoned with. MAY WE Always stay strong!

There are more, but I'm tired.
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America Has a Choice – Union or Anarchy?

Post by Riddick » 01-05-2018 05:04 AM

Doka wrote:
01-05-2018 04:06 AM
MAY WE Always stay strong!
On that note... From Charlie Daniels:

The preamble of our Constitution says, “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union … .”

A union is a coming together of separate parts, forming a single entity that stands together, working out their problems internally and presenting a united front of opinion and action for the benefit of all involved.

Marriage is a union, when two people pledge their faithfulness, their undying love, and care to each other, forsaking all others and all things that would pull their union apart.

A trade organization is called a union, meaning that a group of people who all practice a certain trade come together and delegate the bargaining power for wages, benefits and job security to a small body of officials, who will do the nuts and bolts of negotiating, run it past the membership for an up or down vote, and whatever the majority of the members decide will be binding for the total membership.

The United States of America is a union, where people from diverse ethnicities, religions, cultures, and beliefs bind themselves to the will of the majority and elect representatives who are supposed to come together in rational reasoning to create policy which benefits the body of voters who sent them there.

And once the decisions have been made, accepted and signed into law, the whole society is bound to abide by the ramifications whether they are completely pleased with the result, or not.

When a state, city or group of citizens refuses to abide by the decisions made into laws approved by the majority of the body politic, it becomes a form of anarchy and it disrupts the ebb and flow of commerce and public safety and makes a mockery of the statutes that separates society from the jungle of lawlessness.

A union cannot exist under a system that allows selective obedience to the law of the land and eventually comes apart at the seams as there is no uniform code of justice that governs by the people for the people, but separate spheres of self-absorbed citizens who obey the laws they agree with and ignore the rest.

This situation has the potential to turn the American dream into the American nightmare, as respect for the law and those who enforce it withers away and our union becomes a disjointed collection of rogue states, with each going its own way, some forming their own radical standards, gleaning the ones they agree with and ignoring the rest.

The answer that most often comes from our elected leaders is more money or more laws.

In my humble opinion, neither of those options will solve this particular problem, as we have thrown billions of dollars at almost every situation that’s plagued us in the last century, and reached the place of diminishing returns. We have adequate laws on the books to deal with almost anything. We just don’t have politicians with the will and the guts to enforce them.

There is no constitutional provision for sanctuary cities, for allowing pressure groups to cavort through the streets, destroying property and intimidating society. There is no amendment that allows illegal aliens to overstay visas and ignore our international borders.

There is no legal footing for a city government or state legislature to act against federal law and go their own way.

If this debacle is not addressed, where does it stop?

There are already moves afoot to legalize some of the most addictive and debilitating drugs.

There are already places where people don’t have to even show a valid identification to vote.

There are places where violent criminals who have been deported numerous times find sanctuary and are allowed to stay there until they kill, rape or do some other heinous crime that could have been prevented had the laws of America been obeyed in the first place.

A free, safe and prosperous society cannot exist alongside anarchy, as the lawlessness will eventually become so rampant that drastic measures will have to be taken by law-abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families.

And the results of such confrontations are never pretty.

So, America has to make a choice.

Union or anarchy?

What do you think?

Pray for our troops, our police and the peace of Jerusalem.

God Bless America.

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Re: And the freak-out continues

Post by kbot » 01-05-2018 12:45 PM

Riddick wrote:
01-04-2018 06:53 PM
kbot wrote:
01-04-2018 05:36 PM
Not freaking out Riddick - just like comparative government theory.......
Hey, who doesn't? :mrgreen:

Of course Marxists would say there's no comparison...
Yes, but, here's an interesting bit of information - much of what we now know as "Marxism" or "socialism" is not what the earliest socialist thinkers had in mind. What I have been reading about shows that, prior to Marx and Engels books, there were already in existence, a number of schools of thought on "socialism" - Marx and Engels was just one of these.

Germany (Marx and Engels) had their thoughts, which France and England had their respective schools. France's were pretty much lost in the 1848 revolution and many writings destroyed, or generally unavailable to the French public. In England a school developed which involved their trade unionists - much of which moved to the US, btw.

In some theories, what was being studied was how to make a society where those at the bottom stood a chance compared to those at the top (seems to be a current issue now with what we have.....). Another issue was striking a balance, both in theory as well as in practice, between agriculture and industry. In some communities in England, they actually had a good start.

Of course, wars inevitably derailed many of these plans across Europe so much so that what was left was Marxists thought - but that's only one school out of many...........
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Re: And the freak-out continues

Post by kbot » 01-05-2018 12:53 PM

Doka wrote:
01-04-2018 09:03 PM

Marxist Socialism (really the only kind of Socialism) : Government takes money from the people, to run government healthcare, eventually every thing, grocery stores and all else, government run. No Privately Owned Businesses of ANY flavor NOT allowed, that would be Capitalism a most hated and to be down rated and disposed of , or government owned. Remember when Obamie had a sh#t fit about some successful private company saying "YOU , Didn't build that!" Meaning.....The Government ALLOWED you to build.
Yes Doka, this is the only kind of socialism now, but before Marx wrote his ideas, this was not the only type of socialism. I agree that this type of socialism is bad, but saying that this type of socialism represents ALL types of socialism, and that, since Marxism is bad, therefore, ALL forms of socialism are bad.

Taken in another direction, we can also say that, since corporate welfare is now inherent in capitalism, along with golden parachutes, spa "prisons" for the rich who break the law (if they even serve any real jail time....), that democracy/ capitalism is "bad". That, any system, such as unchecked capitalism, that not only allows, but encourages strip mining and fracking adjacent to neighborhoods is inherently "bad", and that since a capitalist society such as ours that allows for the rich to hire illegal aliens without retribution, while punishing the foreigners themselves, that the culture itself is bad.

Just saying............

BTW, I am NOT a fan of Marxist or the forms of socialism currently ruling various countries. I just find the subject of comparative governments fascinating.

I am fairly sure that what we have now (past 70 years or so) is not what the founding fathers had in mind either......
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Re: America Has a Choice – Union or Anarchy?

Post by kbot » 01-05-2018 12:54 PM

Riddick wrote:
01-05-2018 05:04 AM
Doka wrote:
01-05-2018 04:06 AM
MAY WE Always stay strong!
On that note... From Charlie Daniels:

The preamble of our Constitution says, “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union … .”
Love Charlie Daniels!!!!!!!
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Re: And the freak-out continues

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As just one example of what I mean..........

Communitarianism
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Not to be confused with Communism.

Communitarianism is a philosophy that emphasizes the connection between the individual and the community. Its overriding philosophy is based upon the belief that a person's social identity and personality are largely molded by community relationships, with a smaller degree of development being placed on individualism. Although the community might be a family, communitarianism usually is understood, in the wider, philosophical sense, as a collection of interactions, among a community of people in a given place (geographical location), or among a community who share an interest or who share a history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism

This is one of those forms of socialism that we don't hear about since to our minds "Marxism" or "Communism" equates to al socialism. Not the case at all.

In fact, this form was formed by a Welshman with various communities in England as well as here in the US even now........
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Re: And the freak-out continues

Post by Doka » 01-05-2018 02:10 PM

Well said Riddick,! Beautifully said!

One thing only, that we need to remember, for those that haven't lost their minds and their souls,and can still tell the difference between right and wrong is that The Great Test is Ours, NOT to join the mindless madness. There is no point!

Hang on to your own integrity and above all do no harm to yourself, You ARE the only one you've got!

We do need to pay attention to our own Karma, we are here to clean it up, not make more "Muck" so truly the only thing any of us can be is responsible For ourselves, easy right?? :confused:
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Re: And the freak-out continues

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kbot wrote:
01-05-2018 01:03 PM
As just one example of what I mean..........

Communitarianism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not to be confused with Communism.

Communitarianism is a philosophy that emphasizes the connection between the individual and the community. Its overriding philosophy is based upon the belief that a person's social identity and personality are largely molded by community relationships, with a smaller degree of development being placed on individualism. Although the community might be a family, communitarianism usually is understood, in the wider, philosophical sense, as a collection of interactions, among a community of people in a given place (geographical location), or among a community who share an interest or who share a history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism

This is one of those forms of socialism that we don't hear about since to our minds "Marxism" or "Communism" equates to al socialism. Not the case at all.

In fact, this form was formed by a Welshman with various communities in England as well as here in the US even now........


I do understand what you are saying Kbot.

What I really really have a hard time with is the big scary words and studies and political affiliations that some how areneeded to describe the "Simple Act of Being A Good Citizen" . I agree it would be idyllic and wonderful. What you are missing is the Human element , belief systems locked in stone. And bringing knives and guns and Potty-mouths to what could have been a Love Fest. You are assuming naughty children, having temper tantrums are rational, self -responsible grown ups. "Good Citizens" are out there and they are out there quietly , being "Good Citizens" living life to the fullest, just what they are meant to do.

I might add that nothing is stopping you from living up to your own ideals. Putting into action for yourself, what you would like to see others do. We do learn by example, by having one and being one. But, true change always starts with ourselves. I'll join you on this one, now you already have a group of 2! Might just be more will join!
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Re: And the freak-out continues

Post by kbot » 01-05-2018 05:52 PM

Doka wrote:
01-05-2018 04:47 PM

I do understand what you are saying Kbot.

What I really really have a hard time with is the big scary words and studies and political affiliations that some how areneeded to describe the "Simple Act of Being A Good Citizen" . I agree it would be idyllic and wonderful. What you are missing is the Human element , belief systems locked in stone. And bringing knives and guns and Potty-mouths to what could have been a Love Fest. You are assuming naughty children, having temper tantrums are rational, self -responsible grown ups. "Good Citizens" are out there and they are out there quietly , being "Good Citizens" living life to the fullest, just what they are meant to do.

I might add that nothing is stopping you from living up to your own ideals. Putting into action for yourself, what you would like to see others do. We do learn by example, by having one and being one. But, true change always starts with ourselves. I'll join you on this one, now you already have a group of 2! Might just be more will join!
Nah - like I said, I juist like reading about different systems. And, I get what you're saying about the human elements. What's so difficult about just being nice to one another?

I got started (again) looking at this because I found a distant relative who had been a member of the IWW. He moved from SE Mass to Detroit and I see records for him dating to 1917 ad his WWI draft card, and then he drops off the face of the earth until 1930. Doing some more general reading, I'm wondering whether he was jailed because at the time the IWW was involved in a lot of conflicts - union strikes, conscientious objector status in WWI - some members were killed during masacres by company bosses and their non-IWW workers, and the union members not only were killed, bt also their wives and children...... Some IWW members went to a number of prisons over the years such as Leavenworth in Kansas to others in Michigan and other states, so I'm wondering if this is what happened.

Here's an interesting site that describes what happened to a number of WWIs conscientious objectors (IWW members, Menonites, Quakers, etc). Kinda sad - they saw the war as wrong, but society demanded that people fight in a war which was essentially/ initally, an issue with Europrean royalty..........
https://wwionline.org/articles/conscie ... ld-war-i/
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Politically Incoherent / The "Global Village" Idiots

Post by Riddick » 01-06-2018 03:54 AM

kbot wrote:
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What's so difficult about just being nice to one another?
Good question. I think part of the problem is having nice, calm, rational, intelligent discussions about political differences isn't what the Resistance movement is looking for. They'd rather turn it up to 11 and go ballistic, like their very lives are on the line.

Many far left freakouters take offense at the mere suggestion their way/thing/idea is not the best. Take discussing comparative government theory. What a waste of time! True believers know there IS only one way: Turn left, keep on going and never stop.

In that regard over time, over-reaching Marxists have pretty much soured "socialism" as a brand. Neither has cronyism done capitalism's rep any favors. It's a case where a common element corrupts both; one of the Deadly Sins, it's a familiar human foible.

There's no shortage of greed. Even if able, why put yourself out when you can be a ward of the state? Likewise The Big Club wants more for themselves even if it leaves less for everybody else. The bigger government is, the more it benefits bureaucrats.

When the flip sides of wealth redistribution converge? Carbon tax meets cap-n-trade meets central planning. Universal Basic Income (ala Elon Musk). Sustainable 'growth' with ever rising prices for all commodities 'cept meat 'cause there won't be any -

Not to mention the death of the American middle class. I'm reminded of the John Kenneth Galbrath line "Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's the other way around." IMHO "fighting climate change" is the worst of both worlds.

I'm also reminded of George Carlin talking about choices, like there's 31 flavors of ice cream but for the important stuff it's either-or. I'm even further taken by what HB3 once quoted, on internal divisions not being the only issue at stake anymore:

Call it 'multi-culturalism' or 'diversity' or 'one world government' or 'globalism'. In the end, it will mean the finish of the United States of America as a free, cohesive, sustainable and functioning society.

So, it's not just Union or Anarchy that's our choice. It's a sovereign America, OR the "Global Village" much as Hillary envisioned with Al Gore and friends actively driving hysteria to steer the human herd into an economic abattoir to "save the planet"

Make no mistake: Not only are policies meant to "Make America Great Again" NOT what Globalists are aiming for, they'll resist any such effort with all the might they can muster - including but not limited to freaked-out nattering nabobs of negativism!

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Re: Politically Incoherent / The "Global Village" Idiots

Post by kbot » 01-08-2018 05:23 AM

Riddick wrote:
01-06-2018 03:54 AM
kbot wrote:
01-05-2018 05:52 PM
What's so difficult about just being nice to one another?
Good question. I think part of the problem is having nice, calm, rational, intelligent discussions about political differences isn't what the Resistance movement is looking for. They'd rather turn it up to 11 and go ballistic, like their very lives are on the line.

Many far left freakouters take offense at the mere suggestion their way/thing/idea is not the best. Take discussing comparative government theory. What a waste of time! True believers know there IS only one way: Turn left, keep on going and never stop.

In that regard over time, over-reaching Marxists have pretty much soured "socialism" as a brand. Neither has cronyism done capitalism's rep any favors. It's a case where a common element corrupts both; one of the Deadly Sins, it's a familiar human foible.

There's no shortage of greed. Even if able, why put yourself out when you can be a ward of the state? Likewise The Big Club wants more for themselves even if it leaves less for everybody else. The bigger government is, the more it benefits bureaucrats.
No kidding Riddick - the current administration's crown jewel, so far, is "tax reform". What we found out by that is permanent low tax rates for corporations, with individual tax rates, while (maybe) lower, wil expire in a few years and most probably go up - due to lower revenues on corporate taxes. Energy policy goes back to coal, in a age when energy-generating plants have converted FROM coal to other sources, and open-season has been declared on national parks to allow for more extraction of resorcs by coporations. We've seen this playbok before in Regan's 1980s trickle down policies. Didn't work then - unless "you" were a corproation and reaped the windfall..........
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Re: And the freak-out continues

Post by Raggedyann » 01-08-2018 03:08 PM

Riddick: Your avatar is exactly what I have always thought of you on this forum. Nice to see you actually acting like a normal poster stating an opinion in a fairly intelligent manner, instead of only jumbled up sarcasm and stupid memes etc.
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The Liberal Media’s Cult Of Trump Derangement Syndrome

Post by Riddick » 06-16-2018 11:46 PM

To say the least the liberal media is suffering a beyond severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. There were two very different subjects involved in the media cult's last few days: North Korea and prison reform.

If he is tough with the North Koreans they beg him to play for peace. Last year and early this year the media was desperate for Trump to make nice to North Korea. Then - he does. On a history-making scale. And the reaction? Trump is hanging with a murderous dictator who abuses his people. How could he?

If he does what they want and initiates a historic summit that by all accounts thus far was successful (albeit with more to come) - they spend their time trashing him for meeting with a murderous dictator.

If celebrity John Legend comes to the White House to lobby President Obama on prison reform - wow - what a great guy! So smart and compassionate. If fellow celebrity Kim Kardashian comes to do the same with President Trump? The nerve of Trump to meet with her! She has no place at the White House.

All of which is to say, the real “cult” in Washington is the cult of the liberal media. And as President Trump doubtless knew before he got into all of this - you can’t please a cult. Particularly a cult whose God is Trump Derangement Syndrome. FULL STORY

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