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9/11 Evidence Part 3

Post by civilian » 04-19-2006 11:47 AM

*Civilian - you are welcome to start a 9/11 part 3 thread here - in the Conspiracy thread. :)

but - we do not encourage or support posting links to other forums, etc...

Thanks!

New info out there?
Bring it on...

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Post by Shirleypal » 04-19-2006 05:47 PM

Civillian nice to see you here. Welcome back.

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Post by SvladCjelli » 04-19-2006 06:12 PM

David Lynch is asking the same thing http://blog.davidlynch.com/weblog/dl/
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't following you...

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Post by Linnea » 04-19-2006 06:21 PM

Right back - in your face, eh?

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Post by Alien_UK » 04-19-2006 06:35 PM

HOW TO FAKE A TERRORIST CAMPAIGN

Report from the Panel

The realization that the attacks of September 11 2001 on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were not the work of Muslim/Arab "terrorists" raises a natural question. Who was behind the attacks? The compass needle of suspicion quite naturally swings 180 degrees to point in the opposite direction. A confluence of three extremely powerful and influential interests may have motivated the attacks: new sources of oil for large American oil companies; a full order book for the US military industrial complex; carte blanche for the continuing takeover of Palestinian land for a Greater Israel and furtherance of Israeli Mideast hegemony through its surrogate, the United States of America.

Means and opportunity for the attacks attach naturally to the spy agencies of the countries benefitting most from the attacks. The attacks of September 11 and subsequent "terrorist" activity were probably carried out, jointly or severally, by Israel's Mossad, the CIA, NSA and FBI, as well as Britain's MI6 and, quite possibly, spy agencies from other countries. It is by now well known that many, if not all, intelligence agencies around the world are involved, at one level or another, with so-called "black operations", or just "black ops". Such activities are denied by any and all agencies, as well as their governments. A black operation may be small, as in joining a demonstration to smash windows and overturn cars (giving the demonstrators a bad name), or large, as in staging a fake disaster or attack, then blaming a third party ("false flag" operation).

The following summary has three sections. The first section describes a variety of methods for staging a fake suicide bombing. One or more of these methods could have been applied in virtually any of the bombings as described by the media since September 11, not to mention since before that date. The second section describes specific attacks and other incidents of a relatively minor nature under the heading of "small operations." The third and final section describes the larger operations such as the bombing of the nightclub in Bali, Indonesia.

No attempt has been made to be exhaustive or even to pick the best examples. The evidence of deception, taken collectively, is overwhelming.

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Post by mudwoman » 04-23-2006 09:41 AM

Comment: No Presidential orders needed, the scrambling of fighter jets in this situation is automatic and has been for decades. So where were the F-16s on 9/11? Why were three airliners allowed to hit their targets despite being known to be hijacked?

Fighter Jets intercept United Airlines Flight

No Drills to Confuse NORAD this time

Associated Press | April 22 2006

A passenger who claimed to have a bomb aboard a United Airlines flight was subdued by passengers as the California-bound plane was diverted to Denver International Airport, airport officials said.

Two F-16 fighter jets from Buckley Air Force Base scrambled to escort the plane as it flew into Denver Friday, according to Lt. Commander Sean Kelly, a spokesman for NORAD.

"They followed to make sure nothing untoward was going to happen," he said.

Jose Manuel Pelayo-Ortega was arrested after the plane landed around 4:30 p.m., FBI spokeswoman Monique Kelso said.

Three Secret Service agents traveling between assignments who happened to be on the plane helped detain the passenger, said Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren.

After the A-320 Airbus landed, it taxied to a remote part of the airport where the passengers got off and were bused to the terminal.

None of the 138 passengers or six crew members was injured, airport spokesman Chuck Cannon said. The flight was headed to Sacramento, Calif., from Chicago.

Authorities searched the aircraft for explosives and re-screened luggage and passengers before they reboarded the plane, which took off for its original destination around 7:30 p.m., Kelso said.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld ... -headlines

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Post by Ninerism » 04-23-2006 10:17 AM

Civilian, WELCOME BACK! Good to see your return with more important info, and that on-going investigations are showing that 9/11 was likely a false-flag event with AL-CIA/DA oops is that al qaeda, as not being an all-powerful group, but rather a front group provided funding by various forces outside the United States, as well as from within the United States.

Oh, I know, some people will just roll their eyes and say to themselves, "NOT ANOTHER 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORY!", while at the same time they promote or parrot the same CONSPIRACY THEORY as presented by our government agencies!

Afterall the present government conspiracy theory concerning 9/11 is now shot full of holes! It makes no sense to anyone who has studied the facts as going outside the stupid 9/11 COMMISSION's own theory. The 9/11 COMMISSION's "investigation" into 9/11 activities is about as relevant as the WARREN COMMISSION's "investigation" into the Kennedy assassination.

When President Johnson was provided a voluminous copy of the WARREN COMMISSION's findings, perhaps attenuated since it now consists of several volumes, he raised that huge report high above his desk and then let it drop atop his desk with a resounding THUD! He then stated: Why that's a very heavy report, isn't it?! And that is exactly how we ought to view the government's present conspiracy theory concerning 9/11 -- THUD!

Just because a huge sound is made, does not make it a true source of information, no matter who is holding the WARREN COMMISSION REPORT, or who is holding the 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT.

DUD rhymes nicely with THUD, too.

......more to come, stay tuned

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Post by Ninerism » 04-23-2006 10:31 AM

Contra-indication's that the government's 9/11 conspiracy theory must be invalidated!

Readers and Pirates, please see the incredible DECONSTRUCTIVE ARGUMENT of the government's 9/11 conspiracy theory as presented by the irrefutable LOGICAL THINKING of Dr. DAVID RAY GRIFFIN, author of 'THE NEW PEARL HARBOR' 'Disturbing Quesitons about the Bush Adminstration and 9/11' , http://www.interlinkbooks.com or at http://www.AMAZON.com.

HOWARD ZINN, author of 'A PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES: "The most persuasive arugment I have seen for further investigation of the Bush administration's relationship to that historic and troubling event." He is inferring that there has been a deliberate cover-up, from the way I interpret his words, too, and not a case of "ineptness" compounded by other intell-agencies.

Of course, wishes do come true, in fairy tales, and the facts remain that a group CONSPIRING against the AMERICAN PEOPLE here in the United States, sought to have, through their "wishes", a NEW PEARL HARBOR ATTA ATTAck, just as sure as night cannot be day. By stealth and subterfuge and front organizations, a group CONSPIRED to see to it that the job would get done, by hook, and by crook -- and not a little MONEY thrown at AL-CIA/DUH!, ooops, Al Qaeda.

Who was that group? Well, one need not look too far beyond WASHINGTON DC, and learn that the NEW WORLD ORDER forces, including a group calling themselves PNAC, PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY, "wished" that some sort of provocation, or ATTAck would come at us, perhaps an ATTAck similar to the old PEARL HARBOR, whereby aircraft would be used!

How did they get their "wish"? How was their simple "wishful thinking" fulfilled so quickly, one must ask!

So, just who is MOHAMED ATTA? Who were his closest associates? And why has the GOVERNMENT refused to investigate the real stories in State of FLORIDA?!

Mohamed ATTA considered a GERMAN NATIONAL as his "brother". That man's name is mentioned several times in the very interesting book, 'WELCOME TO TERRORLAND' 'MOHAMED ATTA & THE 9-11 COVER-UP IN FLORIDA'. His name is also associated with other GERMAN nationals, including one man who sued the author for one must gather as "defamation of character" (so the author decided it was cheaper to settle out of court case, which costly court case would have sought to bankrupt him). That's how things are done, folks, if people get too 'wise'.

An interesting man in FLORIDA, is Mr Wally Hilliard, a secretive financier, the man most responsible for backing and funding literally hundreds of young ARAB MEN who were brought to the United States and trained to be flight students, "many of them BIN LADEN OPERATIVES"! Apparently the CIA and FBI and NSA et al could not establish much of anything with their "investigations"!

"NUMEROUS EYEWITNESSES IN FLORIDD INTIMIDATED INTO SILENCE BY THE FBI AND DISCOURAGED FROM TALKING WITH REPORTERS ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW, because what they SAW AND HEARD SERIOUSLY CONTRADICTS THE 'official story' about the IDENTITY and ACTIVITIES OF ATTA and the OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TERRORIST CONSPIRACY DURING THEIR TIME IN THE U.S."

Why has the GOVERMENT sought to stifle real investigation's?! Well, go to the heart and soul of 9/11, and ask questions as to why any group would want AMERICAN CITIZENS to be SACRIFICED. Is that to much to ask?

VELKOME TO TERROR'S LAND.

What is this illusionary war called WAR ON TERROR? Who is benefitting most from it?

Who is RUDY DEKKER?

Who is the 'unamed German national'?

What is the secretive club known as 'FLYING CLUB OF MUNICH'?

Who is Mr. WOLF-GANG BORINJER, or BOHRINGER? Is he a resident of ATLANTA, GEORGIA? And why did MOHMAED ATTA call him his 'brother'?

Why did a secretive financier pay for young ARAB MEN? What was his personal aspiration in seeking out young ARAB MEN, to ostensibly be trained in flying lessons? The FBI is completely satisfied, and yet, why did they INTIMIDATE AMERICAN CITIZENS who repeatedly attempted to provide them information in FLORIDA? What was the FBI's own objective in COVER-UPS in FLORIDA? Why FLORIDA?

What family controls or influences a lot of politiks in FLORIDA? Is it the MONEY ANGLE? Is it NARCOTICS of the notorious 'Cocaine Import Agency' sometimes referred to oddly as the CIA?! Who are the NEW WORLD ORDER people, and why are they being funded by our tax dollars, if they are working toward anti-democratic principles?

Why were there no real investigation's into the sister groups of the COCAINE IMPORT AGENCY, such as at MENA, ARKANSAS? Why are selective MILITARY BASES being used to secure or compromise "national security" to import narcotics? What group can successfully CONSPIRE to create cover-ups?

What groups are being protected from real scrutiny by intell-agencies? And if that is true, what does it say about the select persons at the top of those intell-agencies?

"THE HIDDEN CRIMINAL IHSTORY OF CIA ASSET RUDI DEKKERS, THE MAN RESPONSIBLE FOR DISSEMINATING TO VIRTUALLY EVERY TV NEWS PROGRAM IN AMERICA WHAT IWLL SHORTLY BECOME THE "OFFICIAL STORY" ABOUT THE ACTIVITIES OF THE TERRORIST CONSPIRACY IN FLORIDA."

"THE HISTORY OF NARCOTICS TRAFFICKING THROUGH THE TWO AIRPORST ATTA FREQUENTED, AND THEIR USE FOR OVER FORTY YEARS IN COVERT OPERATIONS OF THE UNTIED STATES GOVERNMENT."

Can we talk? Can we discuss fairy tales of 9/11, as constructed by our government agents within various agencies? NO, IT IS NOT 'THE GOVERNMENT', per se, that is the problem; but it is GOVERNMENT AGENCIES which have very corrupted individuals who do CONSPIRE to achieve certain goals, even cover-ups of false-flag events!

The monstrous cover-ups related to the false war known as the WAR ON DRUGS, continues unabated! Those cover-ups have been on-gong for decades, but is anyone paying attention?!

THE CHRISTIC INSTITUTE:
LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF BOOKS have been written to show that our government's WAR ON DRUGS is entirely illusionary, or mostly illusionary, having nothing to do with ethics or morality, or even concerns for basic human conduct, or health matters. The WAR OJN DRUGS serves the general purpose to keep illegal narcotics prices very high, and it is that source of money that returns to banks and financial institutions around the World -- it's $$BILLIONS PER YEAR.

NORTHWOODS: It's why there is the known GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY via some select militarists to concoct notorious false-flag events, as under 'NORTHWOODS' conduct by some select militarists. It's NOT 'THE GOVERNMENT'.

THE NOTORIOUS FBI PROGRAMS OF MK-ULTRA, AND MK-NAOMI, ET AL, COULD NOT EXIST WITHOUT CERTAIN SELECT FBI-MEMBERS PARTICIPATING. IT IS A FACT OF HISTORY, AND MEN DID CONSPIRE TO SEDUCE CIVILIANS AND USE THEM IN ILLEGAL EXPERIMENTS, SUCH AS MK-ULTRA, OR MIND-KONTROL PROGRAMS. Those were government agents working within government agencies -- but it was NOT 'the government'. Those ILLEGAL EXPERIMENTS were conducted for decades, and some believe still on-going.

I betcha dollars to donuts, follow the DRUG ROUTES AND MONIES, and one will discover that the CIA supported AL QAEDA's original funding, and helped develop our formidable enemy, Mr. Osama, too. But no-one is suggesting any CONSPIRACY THINKING is required -- it is merely factual. It is merely factual that millions of REPUBLICANS and other good AMERICANS, too, did not want to know about the high-cabal conspiracies involving IRAN-CONTRA -- and that that was the BCCI SOURCE OF MONIES that created our new WAR ON TERROR/TERRORISM, same sources and groups of peoples used. No-one really wanted to see the GOLDEN GOOSE of the military-industrial complex un-done.

Mr. President Reagan did not want IRAN-CONTRA corruptions exposed, did he? He is now lauded as being the primary individual who ended the COLD WAR between the UNITED STATES and RUSSIA, though it only required nearly bankrupting America during the S&L scandals. The idea was to literally bankrupt RUSSIA/USSR during the COLD WAR 'armaments parity', whereby we build bigger bombs, they build more bombs, and so on.

One day both nation's leaders finally wake-up and realize that their mutual love for Nuclear Faithing is quite MAD -- MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION -- leading to mutual annihilation's.

The COLD WAR ends, and so soon we have an even greater threat: AL-C IA/DUH?! The very confirmation that fairy tale wishes do come true, even with corrupted souls such as PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY, and people such as KKKarl Rove, and the likes. CONSPIRING GROUPS? Well, of course........ How could IRAN-CONTRA and $$BILLIONS funded via BCCI, and subsequent many years of cover-ups, unless it were not for government agencies and government agents doing the dirty work? BCCI MONIES in effect helped create your standard version of rag-tags as subversives who now threaten World harmony via TERRORISM. Who are those front men? Did you not read Mr. DANIEL HOPSICKER's book?

DANIEL HOPSICKER also revealed the sordid relationship between the Al-C IA/DUH that was used to bring massive amounts of NARCOTICS into the United States -- a further affirmation of all that has been publicly stated by Col BO GRITS, too, who helped conduct NARCOTICS trafficking, establish routes, from the GOLDEN TRIANGLE, during the AMERICAN WAR IN VIETNAM, which some strangely define as the VIETNAM WAR.

DANIEL HOPSICKER's book, 'BARRY & THE BOYS' 'THE CIA THE MOB AND AMERICA'S SECRET HISTORY', "called "the definitive text on the subject" by at least one veteran of the MENA operation during IRAN-CONTRA.

See why millions of American citizens are asking why PRESIDENT KENNEDY WANTED THE CIA DESTROYED.

It goes much deeper, the '9/11 melieu'.......... in that JACK ABRHAMOFF, now talking, is concerned, as are the owners of several OFF-SHORE casinos on ships, parked off the coastlines of FLORIDA. What owner of a ship was recently KILLED? And why do the JACK ABRHAMOFF people get so concerned that no-one investigate any off-shore casinos in FLORIDA? What sort of "cosa nostra" type activities are involved with those elements in FLORIDA who brought young ARAB MEN to learn how to fly a little plane? Who actually OWNS some of the CAB COMPANIES, too,down there in FLORIDA? Could CABBIES be used to transport, say, DRUGS?, from airports to obscure destination's, when no-one is asking any questions about who actually owns select JETS, such as by the CIA frontmen? A JET that was known to TRAFFICK in large amounts of COCAINE, for instance, was once owned by a SECRETIVE FINANCIER residing very close to VENICE, FLORIDA, not far from a man named Hilly's Yard. Why was it all so conveniently covered-up, the DRUG RUNNING?

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Post by Ninerism » 04-23-2006 11:44 AM

wingrpearetd attempts to post my posts are being deleted here!!!!!VANISH

EACH TIME I TYPE A SENTENCE, IT JUST VANISHES!

FOR OVER FIVE MINUTES NOW, AS IF SOMEONE IS MONITORING MY POSTINGS, no sooner do I complete a sentence and it just VANISHES
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 04-23-2006 12:05 PM

Conspiracies exist at all levels of society. Some have a few facts, some have a lot of facts, some have conjectures which all get thrown together in a hodgepodge to create believability. There are those who want to believe A, some want to believe B and some are off elsewhere believing C - when the truth might be some combination of all or entirely different.

9/11 did not happen on the spur of the moment, but was the end of years of planning. How much was known is debated and conjectured by numerous groups.

BUT stop and think about what it takes to pull off an event - ANY event - even something so simple as a birthday party. Move on to some larger event - say a town celebration. It doesn't happen overnight, but takes months of planning. 911 took years of planning. Its only when a person honestly stops and THINKS about it - that they can truly comprehend the time line.

1. they had to study the flight schedules going out of a busy airport.
2. they had to know the schedule of downtimes for fighter jets stationed in the area and yes there were scheduled down times - maintenance when the entire group shut down - bad idea - now rectified but a bit too late. (You don't shut down an entire base any more for maintenance checks. at that time - bases did...)
3. information between CIA and FBI was NOT shared - thats been rectified
4. overstayed visas were not followed up - they are still working on that
5. illegals easily crossed the borders - unfortunately they still do
--- and on and on down the line

There are numerous reports that state there were suppose to be more events that day on the west coast - but for various reasons were cancelled. How true those reports are is still in question. However they must have been believed for a few things as scuba divers were checking underwater structures on Golden Gate and other bridges. Airport security tightened as well.

Authors write books and books in part based on truths, half truths and speculations and those books sell because people believe or want to believe in the conspiracies put forth. Who knows some of the conspiracies might be real - only time will tell.

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Post by Ninerism » 04-24-2006 10:45 AM

Cherry Kelly wrote: Conspiracies exist at all levels of society. Some have a few facts, some have a lot of facts, some have conjectures which all get thrown together in a hodgepodge to create believability. There are those who want to believe A, some want to believe B and some are off elsewhere believing C - when the truth might be some combination of all or entirely different.

9/11 did not happen on the spur of the moment, but was the end of years of planning. How much was known is debated and conjectured by numerous groups.

BUT stop and think about what it takes to pull off an event - ANY event - even something so simple as a birthday party. Move on to some larger event - say a town celebration. It doesn't happen overnight, but takes months of planning. 911 took years of planning. Its only when a person honestly stops and THINKS about it - that they can truly comprehend the time line.

1. they had to study the flight schedules going out of a busy airport.
2. they had to know the schedule of downtimes for fighter jets stationed in the area and yes there were scheduled down times - maintenance when the entire group shut down - bad idea - now rectified but a bit too late. (You don't shut down an entire base any more for maintenance checks. at that time - bases did...)
3. information between CIA and FBI was NOT shared - thats been rectified
4. overstayed visas were not followed up - they are still working on that
5. illegals easily crossed the borders - unfortunately they still do
--- and on and on down the line

There are numerous reports that state there were suppose to be more events that day on the west coast - but for various reasons were cancelled. How true those reports are is still in question. However they must have been believed for a few things as scuba divers were checking underwater structures on Golden Gate and other bridges. Airport security tightened as well.

Authors write books and books in part based on truths, half truths and speculations and those books sell because people believe or want to believe in the conspiracies put forth. Who knows some of the conspiracies might be real - only time will tell.


Cherry, it's good to hear that you can and are preparing for your own birthday party well in advance.

STOP AND THINK. Did you actually read my post, and do you know that MOHAMED ATTA and GERMAN NATIONALS were in Florida conspiring against the American people?! And aided and abetted by some groups within the FBI and Al-C IA/DUH! to COVER-UP matters in Florida. Why do you think that his happening?

Your sophomoric non-sense remains simplistic, and dumbed-down.
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 04-24-2006 01:08 PM

Niner - Much of what you have posted here - we discussed in other threads - at other times. Have you forgotten? Have you forgotten the link about the local flight school instructor who talked about turning down a "student" (one of the pix of the 19) for flight training - almost TWO FULL YEARS before 911? Or the crop duster school down in southern states (similar turn down of a student) - again a year or longer BEFORE 911? In another thread we talked about the FL guy as well. Or have you forgotten?

You discuss the BOOK making the claims that the FBI and CIA were aiding and abetting - were they? Could it not ALSO be possible they were infiltrating these groups to find out information? It's not always what it seems on the surface.

TIME is very relevant in any investigation process. Its not "sophomoric" by any means to say STOP, LOOK, LISTEN and especially to THINK!

Too many conspiracies theorists are demanding that you DO NOT THINK! They put forth claims and expect you to believe them at face value and because people WANT to believe - they will. And that goes to believing all the gov't stuff as well.

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Post by Ninerism » 04-25-2006 01:54 AM

Cherry Kelly wrote: Niner - Much of what you have posted here - we discussed in other threads - at other times. Have you forgotten? Have you forgotten the link about the local flight school instructor who talked about turning down a "student" (one of the pix of the 19) for flight training - almost TWO FULL YEARS before 911? Or the crop duster school down in southern states (similar turn down of a student) - again a year or longer BEFORE 911? In another thread we talked about the FL guy as well. Or have you forgotten?

You discuss the BOOK making the claims that the FBI and CIA were aiding and abetting - were they? Could it not ALSO be possible they were infiltrating these groups to find out information? It's not always what it seems on the surface.

TIME is very relevant in any investigation process. Its not "sophomoric" by any means to say STOP, LOOK, LISTEN and especially to THINK!

Too many conspiracies theorists are demanding that you DO NOT THINK! They put forth claims and expect you to believe them at face value and because people WANT to believe - they will. And that goes to believing all the gov't stuff as well.


WRONG! Much of what I have discussed about the POLITICAL-CRIMINALITY connections between Republican's and JACK ABRAMOFF, and the newest breaking info discovered about SHIPS and KILLING of ship owner, and off-shore CASINOS, and links to MOHAMED ATTA and the GERMAN faction in FLORIDA. STOP AND THINK, I never discussed those connections before. The government does not want too much info known about Mr. Hilliard and those hundreds of young ARAB MEN brought here by him, or by someone if he was fronting the money?! And CABS, who owns the CABS, and ships the drugs off the jets owned formerly by Hilliard, too......PATTERNS, repeated PATTERNS, as if using the same sort of scripts at MENA, get it?!


Cherry, STOP AND THINK.

Why do you think that the FEDS are aiding and abetting ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION from MEXICO, for instance? And how that is related ot NAFTA and GATT -- which have become virtual economig hegemonies against the Middle Class in the United States, as so many corporations fly south.

STOP AND THINK. The more that Americans desire cheaper oil ang gasoline, the higher the prices soar, and this after twice invading the nation of IRAQ, which has so much oil, or saving Kuwait for the Brits, and not demanding we are provided cheaper gasoline in perpetuity from Kuwait. STOP AND THINK, please.

And stop avoiding all the telling data being provided inmy posts which do not support your silly theory that the FBI was seeking to infiltrate! Why was the FBI seeking to INTIMIDATE people in Florida, Cherry? Those were witnesses who had seen MOHAMED ATTA and GERMAN NATIONALS, and DUTCH NATIONALS, all at one time working with ATTA! Why, Cherry, do you think that the FBI is not telling YOU any of these facts?!

STOP AND THINK. Why did the FBI not seek to learn more as to why MOHAMED ATTA called Mr. Boringer from GERMANY his brother? Why did the FBI miss all the clues in FLORIDA? STOP AND THINK, please. PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY demanded that we have a WAR IN IRAQ. STOP AND THINK, why SCOTUS FIVER assured the S=election of Bush over Gore. PATTERNS OF GROSS CORRUPTIONS, Cherry, please, stop and think.

Why has the MAJOR MEDIA refused to review 'WELCOME TO TERRORLAND'? STOP AND THINK! It's not in the best interest of BUSHOILCO and corruption at highest levels. Not even the FBI/CIA/NSA wants high-cabal corruptions exposed. STOP AND THINK, why the FEDS covered-up IRAN-CONTRA, and BCCI, and all the other inter-related high-criminality.

On one hand you decry the influx of millions of illegal immigrants from MEXICO, but you do not state that there are definite PATTERNS which are providing advantage to corporations and corporatism. Please, STOP AND THINK.

STOP AND THINK, cherry, as it was NOT the FBI, nor the cIA, nor NSA, that informed you about the high-corruptions of the FBI involving MK-ULTRA. They told you and I nothing until it was exposed by researchers!

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Post by cherry » 04-25-2006 04:23 AM

Hi civ! ;)

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Post by Cherry Kelly » 04-25-2006 02:52 PM

Niner -- we can take illegal discussion to thread about it...

We did talk about the FL guy before in another thread -- where the ship owner killing could have been added. I do prefer to keep threads on topic as much as possible - don't succeed but there was quite the discussion re FL connection. Problem is several threads overlap and keeping track of EXACTLY how far each one goes with discussion material can be difficult when there are so many posts putting out other threads on similar topics.

We've also discussed NAFTA and GATT and both (of us) were totally against it - still am. Haven't changed my mind about those either... ALso have noted elsewhere about CIA corruption (re JFK etc)

However - neither YOU nor I know without doubt whether or not the CIA/FBI operatives were infiltrating these organizations in order to get to the sources -- or not. We don't know for sure and I sometimes wonder if we ever will.

Intimidating witnesses or attempting to find out WHAT they knew, what their connections might be? Ever been to court and see how atty's INTIMIDATE witnesses on the stand? Niner - you are intelligent enough to know these kind of things. The witnesses who CLAIM they were intimidated -- were they really or is it words put into their mouths by attys or media. You know how its been going lately with claims of this or that to make stuff SOUND worse than it truly is - especially in media.

STOP and THINK -- maybe they didn't interview the author for other reasons. Do they interview EVERY author out there? Pro OR Con to administrations? We both KNOW better.

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