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US Just Created A Religious Liberty Task Force

Post by kbot » 08-05-2018 07:33 AM

I'm torn on this one. Was watching C SPAN earlier, and there were the usual suspects freaking out about how certain people or groups are trying to take people's rights away - think the wedding cake non-sale or suppression of abortion rights.

But, I'm trying to see the other side of the issue, such as medical staff forced by employers to perform surgeries they find objectionable or pharmacists forced by employers to provide medications explicitly for reasons which they find objectionable (both examples speak to ending life).

But, it's broader than that - should Jehovah Witness be forced to accept a blood transfusion in order to spare a lawsuit in a wrongful death when healthcare is delivered at a secular hospital? Should Jewish and Muslim merchants be forced to add non kosher non-halal items to their shops because "it's the right thing to do"? And, "who" decides what's "right"? Should Native American pow-wows be banned from public parks just as Nativity scenes are banned? When my Mom was at Mass General, I saw religious/ observant Muslim family members pray throughout the day - should that practice be banned as it was taking place outside a mosque? Should sunrise service at the beach be banned because they occur outside a church or weddings officiated by a priest or rabbi or imam (or pagan priestess for that matter?)?

Most of the people calling-in this morning says that there is no restriction on the practice of religion in this country: no one is stopping people from entering their respective places to worship to worship, and that while there is a a constitutional protection of freedom TO worship (practice religion), there is also freedom FROM religion (that is NOT in the constitution, BTW), and so religious practice should start and stop at the doors of the building. What then about religions that require stepping outside the building in order to "live" their religion? Wouldn't that line of thinking then destroy groups such as The Salvation Army, homeless shelters and soups kitchens such as Dorothy Day's Catholic Worker model?

US Just Created A Religious Liberty Task Force

Attorney general of the United States, Jeff Sessions, has announced that he has just created a religious liberty task force responsible for making sure that individuals’ constitutional right is not infringed upon in their daily lives or as they chose to run their business.

This is on the heels of many contentious cases surrounding religious freedom such as the Colorado baker who refused to bake a wedding for a gay couple’s wedding and the forcing of a religious institution being forced to provide free contraceptives.
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Re: US Just Created A Religious Liberty Task Force

Post by Doka » 08-05-2018 09:59 AM

It is a "Task Force" NOT a law, but more of an Constitutional Oversight commitee. What you speak of has already happened mainly against Christians. I would not worry about the Muslim Rights, they are just fine, they can get rid of any of their detractors quite easily.

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The ONE TRUE God

Post by Riddick » 08-05-2018 12:08 PM

Gotta think more than a few folks would welcome a religion task force to marginalize the competition entirely: 1st commandment? Thou shalt have NO OTHER Gods before GOVERNMENT

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Doka wrote:
08-05-2018 09:59 AM
It is a "Task Force" NOT a law, but more of an Constitutional Oversight commitee. What you speak of has already happened mainly against Christians. I would not worry about the Muslim Rights, they are just fine, they can get rid of any of their detractors quite easily.

"Sift for gnats and eat the camel"
Not disagreeing with you Doka.

Buuuuttt........... you know that at some point this administration and Congress will end. So, the flip side if when extra-legislative ideas become enshrined.
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Riddick wrote:
08-05-2018 12:08 PM
Gotta think more than a few folks would welcome a religion task force to marginalize the competition entirely: 1st commandment? Thou shalt have NO OTHER Gods before GOVERNMENT

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Exactly Riddick. We've seen this before...... And, this is far from a critique of the Trump administration, as these sort of things have a way of steamrolling and going way beyond the original intent.

Martin Niemöller: "First they came for the Socialists..."
Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.

Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

The quotation stems from Niemöller's lectures during the early postwar period. Different versions of the quotation exist. These can be attributed to the fact that Niemöller spoke extemporaneously and in a number of settings. Much controversy surrounds the content of the poem as it has been printed in varying forms, referring to diverse groups such as Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Jews, Trade Unionists, or Communists depending upon the version. Nonetheless his point was that Germans—in particular, he believed, the leaders of the Protestant churches—had been complicit through their silence in the Nazi imprisonment, persecution, and murder of millions of people.

Only in 1963, in a West German television interview, did Niemöller acknowledge and make a statement of regret about his own antisemitism (see Gerlach, 2000, p. 47). Nonetheless, Martin Niemöller was one of the earliest Germans to talk publicly about broader complicity in the Holocaust and guilt for what had happened to the Jews. In his book Über die deutsche Schuld, Not und Hoffnung (published in English as Of Guilt and Hope)—which appeared in January 1946—Niemöller wrote: "Thus, whenever I chance to meet a Jew known to me before, then, as a Christian, I cannot but tell him: 'Dear Friend, I stand in front of you, but we can not get together, for there is guilt between us. I have sinned and my people has sinned against thy people and against thyself.'"
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They Came For The Conservatives

Post by Riddick » 08-05-2018 02:46 PM

"It can't happen here" can be famous last words. Still, Trump Is Hilter, they say? - Well, IMHO, radical libs & socialists oughta look good & hard in the mirror before they point accusatory fingers

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RAP SHEET: Ongoing List Of Leftist Attacks On Conservatives

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'WHY SO SURPRISED?'
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Re: US Just Created A Religious Liberty Task Force

Post by kbot » 08-06-2018 10:50 AM

I hear ya Riddick. Civil discourse went a long time ago. I think that both sides could provide a list.
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kbot wrote:
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I hear ya Riddick. Civil discourse went a long time ago. I think that both sides could provide a list.
The MSM only cares about one list. And it's the one they beat folks over the head with every day, with who to hate along with all the news that's fit to have a hysterical fit over

Trump is Hitler, conservatives are Nazis. Und DAT is all da people need to know!!
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Re: US Just Created A Religious Liberty Task Force

Post by Doka » 08-06-2018 03:54 PM

Makes me curious, also about this "Both Sides Stuff" Kbot, ? Do you know the difference between those that harbor no hate and those that do? Still, intent on division, I see. So which "Side" are you on ?
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Doka wrote:
08-06-2018 03:54 PM
Makes me curious, also about this "Both Sides Stuff" Kbot, ? Do you know the difference between those that harbor no hate and those that do? Still, intent on division, I see. So which "Side" are you on ?
On the extremes, I don't see much difference Doka - both sides, at their fringes are capable of, and have committed violence in the name of their respective causes. I find the Left to be the first to cry foul faster than the Right. The Left historically uses mass tactics to further a cause, while I find the Far Right's use of government policy to impose their views equally bad.

When a country is left with only a two-party system and those two parties are run by their extreme views, to me, that's dangerous because there's very little chance of seeking a middle ground.
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Re: US Just Created A Religious Liberty Task Force

Post by Doka » 08-07-2018 02:55 PM

kbot wrote:
08-07-2018 05:32 AM
Doka wrote:
08-06-2018 03:54 PM
Makes me curious, also about this "Both Sides Stuff" Kbot, ? Do you know the difference between those that harbor no hate and those that do? Still, intent on division, I see. So which "Side" are you on ?
On the extremes, I don't see much difference Doka - both sides, at their fringes are capable of, and have committed violence in the name of their respective causes. I find the Left to be the first to cry foul faster than the Right. The Left historically uses mass tactics to further a cause, while I find the Far Right's use of government policy to impose their views equally bad.

When a country is left with only a two-party system and those two parties are run by their extreme views, to me, that's dangerous because there's very little chance of seeking a middle ground.

Nice score card ya got going on your "LABELS" there. Except, Labels are as unreliable as the humans that attached them or are attached to them.

Still does not answer the question of what does Kbot stand for?

But of course if your god or higher power just looks at your political affilliation, (you don't seem to have that either) and not what kind of human you where on this "mudball", they too can wiffle for all eternity, they are much better at that anyway!
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To The Extreme

Post by Riddick » 08-07-2018 03:51 PM

Extremists on both sides? Without a doubt. Equally bad? I dunno about that. Seems to me, top to bottom, no few Dems are engaging in all the bad behaviors they've ever accused Republicans of, *AND* more -

"It's not hateful and violent when we do it" ? Yeah right. We'll see how voters feel about it this November...

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