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Opiods: "It's the business model...."

Post by kbot » 08-13-2017 11:52 AM

Interesting article that places the blame for the opioid crisis in this country squarely where it belongs: on the pharmaceutical industry, the government and healthcare industries.

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Opioids killed more than 33,000 Americans in 2015 and the toll was almost certainly higher last year. About half of deaths involved prescription painkillers. Most of those who overdose on heroin or a synthetic opiate, such as fentanyl, first become hooked on legal pills.

This is an almost uniquely American crisis driven in good part by particular American issues from the influence of drug companies over medical policy to a “pill for every ill” culture. Trump’s commission, which called the opioid epidemic “unparalleled”, said the grim reality is that “the amount of opioids prescribed in the US was enough for every American to be medicated around the clock for three weeks”.

The US consumes more than 80% of the global opioid pill production even though it has less than 5% of the world’s population. Over the past 20 years, one federal institution after another lined up behind the drug manufacturers’ false claims of an epidemic of untreated pain in the US. They seem not to have asked why no other country was apparently suffering from such an epidemic or plying opioids to its patients at every opportunity.

With the pharmaceutical lobby’s money keeping Congress on its side, regulations were rewritten to permit physicians to prescribe as many pills as they wanted without censure. Indeed, doctors sometimes found themselves hauled before ethics boards for not supplying enough.

It’s an epidemic because we have a business model for it. Follow the money

Unlike most other countries, the US health system is run as an industry not a service. That gives considerable power to drug manufacturers, medical providers and health insurance companies to influence policy and practices.

Too often, their bottom line is profits not health. Opioid pills are far cheaper and easier than providing other forms of treatment for pain, like physical therapy or psychiatry. As Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia told the Guardian last year: “It’s an epidemic because we have a business model for it. Follow the money. Look at the amount of pills they shipped in to certain parts of our state. It was a business model.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... l-culprits
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This sorta scenario is occurring with increasing frequency. Same thing happens to police and EMTs responding to overdoses, or to just about any type of call nowadays.......

Police: 3 Ohio nurses treated for fentanyl exposure

MASSILLON, Ohio (AP) – Authorities say three nurses at an Ohio hospital had to be treated with an overdose reversal drug after being exposed to suspected fentanyl.

Police say the nurses at Massillon’s Affinity Medical Center lost consciousness Monday while cleaning a room where an overdose victim had been treated. All three were administered the overdose reversal drug naloxone and are said to have recovered.

A Massillon police spokesman says it’s believed the nurses were exposed to fentanyl, a synthetic opioid, many times more powerful than heroin.

A union representing nurses at the hospital wants to meet with hospital officials to discuss protocols for environmental contamination.

http://abc27.com/2017/08/12/police-3-oh ... -exposure/
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Post by Malaria_Kidd II » 08-13-2017 05:31 PM

OMGosh and many thanks kbot for that "opioids gone wild" report. Just this week a whole SWAT Team of 19 men were sidelined to hospital when a kitchen table covered with drugs was up ended! :oops: At least they entered the right house, this time! 8)

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The hospital where I work is the hospital I was born in, and its heart-breaking to see how the opioid crisis has hit around here - as it has in many locales across the country.

You want to know who's dying? Search the obituaries and loo for "died unexpectedly"........ it's the new code for "drug overdose".

We're losing whole generations.
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08-13-2017 09:05 PM
The hospital where I work is the hospital I was born in, and its heart-breaking to see how the opioid crisis has hit around here - as it has in many locales across the country.

You want to know who's dying? Search the obituaries and look for "died unexpectedly"........ it's the new code for "drug overdose".

We're losing whole generations.
Yes we are kbot! :?

Many years back, for those who could afford it, folks under lots of stress visited a psychiatrist. Now mention your stress to your medical doctor and they'll give you a "legal fix" on a small paper, even though you can't read their writing! :oops:

Your article above included the old revolving door syndrome that's killin' nearly as big a percentage per capita of the unaware "tricked users" population in cities vs rural areas! All via prescribed opioids that eventually don't work for pain, the body get's tolerant which leads many still in pain to shooting up the bad heroin made exclusively from the smuggled opium straight from Afghanistan! :evil:

Al Qaeda and the Taliban, who were against growing poppies, must be relishing the benefits as it kills the Infidels so efficiently without their lifting an evil finger! They love the big numbers of dead people, resulting from any means, anywhere on earth! :twisted:

In the last four or more years the rural settings in south central Indiana had stats that were shocking and increasing yearly of those who died unexpectedly, as the new code. :(

Now our states are enacting a law for the provision of clean hypodermic needles through their "dirty needle exchanges"! That idea was legislated for those who cannot afford them because they spend all their dough on beer, cigs and the "drug" capable of putting them out of their self inflicted misery! It's a viscous circle kbot and your line of work sees it first hand. :(

More and more frequently in our rural area of SW IN the scanner voices on dispatching OD calls, tone out the police, EMS, & fire in that order. Always having the last two on stand-by until needed!

That's the same call for attempted suicides. That's what's beginning when taking Big Pharma's prescribed, very addictive pain killers, which seldom work wonders as planned, it's self administered suicide! It's a wonder life insurance policies pay a dime to the survivors of known users of heroin. It's the same very strange life insurance pay off for the people turning to a worse opioid concoction like fentanyl used by zoo veterinarians for elephants in pain.

Yep, the evil lives who celebrated the attacks on September 11, 2001 as still "surviving" terrorists and the wanna be's are winning in strange ways! :oops:


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Post by kbot » 08-14-2017 08:34 AM

It's sad MK - healthcare has gotten used to the money flowing-in from Big Pharma - and they love it.

Every day I go to work at 6AM, and right next door to the hospital garage is a methadone clinic with the parking lot full of people (at 6 AM!!!!). There are two more in the city - also full. And, this is all day long........ The city used to be the world leader in textile cloth production, and now one former textile mill houses a methadone clinic.
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It's sad MK - healthcare has gotten used to the money flowing-in from Big Pharma - and they love it.

Every day I go to work at 6AM, and right next door to the hospital garage is a methadone clinic with the parking lot full of people (at 6 AM!!!!). There are two more in the city - also full. And, this is all day long........ The city used to be the world leader in textile cloth production, and now one former textile mill houses a methadone clinic.
:hearteyes :crazyjump Yep it's very sad kbot, and the love of fiat money is their answer to those in dire need! OMGosh, the parking lot's full ALL DAY LONG :?: That's a constant human health concern that a new border wall predictably cannot stop! :oops: At the border once the wall is finished we maybe looking at a Pony Express scenario with illegal drugs easily handed over or thrown over to the highly paid drug express riders waiting on our side! :coolhat:

Doctor Peter Breggin is on Coast to Coast AM tonight! You know what the topic is already and it's been a while since he's had two full hours. Which is 120 minus total counting all the ads which will result in around 70 minutes of air time talking about the freely prescribed psycho trophic pills for healing the mind! We know they'll be healed all the way to an early grave! :realmad:

Here's the highlights of tonight's program.....if any member is up for two hours after Midnight CST let's talk live somewhere. I have the night off the road after a morning briefly in hospital. :wink:

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2017/08/14

https://breggin.com/


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Yes, parking lots are full all day long. It is sad........

Building a wall won't stop this as much is shipped-in, or made here. For example, nearby New Bedford is a very large fishing port - the largest on the east coast (recall Moby Dick???). It's also the largest point of entry for drugs on the east coast. The ships (obviously) go right around a wall......
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Yes, parking lots are full all day long. It is sad........

Building a wall won't stop this as much is shipped-in, or made here. For example, nearby New Bedford is a very large fishing port - the largest on the east coast (recall Moby Dick???). It's also the largest point of entry for drugs on the east coast. The ships (obviously) go right around a wall......
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:!: New Bedford?........ of all the historic places on the east coast? The smuggler's bluesmen found it just right, eh? :o Right around any barrier they'll go for, "Ye mattie$ in kind!" The opioid users nationwide on the hard stuff are easy targets. Individual volunteers are being used by Big Pharma's pirates for their hard earned wealth! And the doc's over prescribed treatments for stress and PTSD which begin's their slow, dangerous, and so preventable demise! :(

I fell asleep before the show with Dr. Breggin began. :oops:

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:!: New Bedford?........ of all the historic places on the east coast? The smuggler's bluesmen found it just right, eh? :o Right around any barrier they'll go for, "Ye mattie$ in kind!" The opioid users nationwide on the hard stuff are easy targets. Individual volunteers being used by Big Pharma's pirates for their hard earned wealth! And the doc's over prescribed treatments for stress and PTSD which begin's their slow, dangerous, and so preventable demise! :(

I fell asleep before the show with Dr. Breggin began. :oops:

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Yeah, I missed the show too.

But, as far as "New Beff-'ah" as we call it around here (accents and all..... :mrgreen: ), it's tough. Larger ships meet smaller ships offshore and they move the stuff in. The government, cutting the catch limits for various types of seafood, have unwittingly pushed some fishermen into a new trade.

This is a story about how Trump building his wall will impact the Coast Guard - and the ramifications of possible cuts to the Coast Guard.

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Think before cutting the Coast Guard

Reports over the past few days that the Trump administration is considering deep cuts in the budgets of the Coast Guard and other federal agencies involved in national security to fund more aggressive immigration enforcement and pay for the infamous wall with Mexico could very well strengthen arguments that the nation’s fifth and smallest military service should make the move.

The irony is that the Coast Guard is already heavily involved in border security, and last year stopped some 6,000 illegal migrants from entering the United States. As many security experts have pointed out, if you build a wall with Mexico, it will push the migrants and the drug smugglers from land to water, where they will seek coastal entries into the country. This would make the Coast Guard’s presence in ports and along the coastlines even more important.

https://www.workboat.com/blogs/washingt ... ast-guard/
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kbot writes: But, as far as "New Beff-'ah" as we call it around here (accents and all..... :mrgreen: ), it's tough. Larger ships meet smaller ships offshore and they move the stuff in. The government, cutting the catch limits for various types of seafood, have unwittingly pushed some fishermen into a new trade.

Oh no, I was not aware of that trade off! But there is always a better plan to beat the system or a high wall! But cutting the US Coast Guard's budget seems odd when we CAN print money to keep people there, safe and happily employed watching our dangerous sea shores. :wink:

But we NEVER build more minting/printing facilities like in Denver or Philadelphia to print U.S. (us) out of 20 trillions in debt! Who's to say we can't do both kbot? Is the International Monetary Fund stopping us from printing enough money for our US Coast Guard and our crazy debt figures? If it's done secretly no one would know! :lol: I think it's way too late to aid our Founding Father's to stop revolving in their caskets! :oops:
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Post by kbot » 08-21-2017 05:35 AM

Oh, we can certainly do BOTH, right MK??? :mrgreen: after all, it's just Monopoly money with no intrinsic value anymore. At times like this, Karl Marx's Das Capital and his tying of commodities to hard currency just resonates in my head. Makes me wonder "who" really, is the bad guy here with central banks and all.

Back to "The Wall" and how the traders from points south exploit the virtually unprotected east and west coasts - it's all a shame. I've come to the conclusion that, yes, it all sounds just so nice to say that "We're DEFENDING the border........ :roll: ". No we're not........... we're making a lot of contracting companies richer, endangering wild life and making our border look like Berlin - only HUGE!!!!!!!!

Drug interdiction on the part of The Coast Guard is up, but everyone knows that this accounts for only a small percentage of what's being shipped-in.
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kbot wrote: "Drug interdiction on the part of The Coast Guard is up, but everyone knows that this accounts for only a small percentage of what's being shipped-in."

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Drug interdiction, by any policing agency nationwide, takes up too much of their time fighting mainly one crime! Our sane world's perpetual enemy for 1,400 years revels in our nation's curse from drugs, low morals, and I'll end this rant noting something as obvious as our littered highways, city streets, water ways, parks and fields :!:

:oops: Wall or no wall their collective opioid habits will always be supplied by hook, crook, or an Afghani's little donkey! :evil:

Now-a-days, Big Pharma is to blame for most of their pain killers, killing!


Too late the Wall, eh :?: That was my take on, "Too late the hero." :oops: The "Big Barn Door's" been wide open far too long if you ask me.

But is it illegal to grow lots of pretty red poppies in your backyard? Not that I'm aware of kbot. Heck those tiny black spots on some hamburger buns are poppy seeds. Thankfully we can't get a high on 'dem buns! :confused:


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Post by kbot » 08-23-2017 11:24 AM

Unfortunately, none of our law enforcement agencies are equipped to deal with this. The opioid epidemic is caused, yes, by Big Pharma, but a larger issue is lack of jobs (sorry....). People can't find work and they start looking for alternatives - either "as work" = dealing rather than working a "real job", or using because they're (pick one) bored, desperate, whatever. Until the jobs issue get fixed, the drug issue will always be an issue, and it's not law enforcements job to create jobs.....
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