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Post by Raggedyann » 06-01-2016 03:24 PM

Doka wrote:]


OMG! This is my dream!! A form of Socialism funded directly by the Corporations themselves and not a direct hit of "Robbing" your neighbor to get the funds. And best of all

will not be a Government program with hundreds of greedy hands taking" Their" share. This is capitalism at its best, It has the capacity to be streamlined and be super

efficient and capable of nipping corruption in the bud. Which is why the current Government will do every thing in it's power to destroy it!!

May it be protected by the unseen power.[/quote]

The Gov won't destroy it as they are our head puppets and will tow the line. As Squid brilliantly pointed out, this is a win win for the corps.
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Raggedyann wrote:
Doka wrote:OMG! This is my dream!! A form of Socialism funded directly by the Corporations themselves and not a direct hit of "Robbing" your neighbor to get the funds. And best of all

will not be a Government program with hundreds of greedy hands taking" Their" share. This is capitalism at its best, It has the capacity to be streamlined and be super

efficient and capable of nipping corruption in the bud. Which is why the current Government will do every thing in it's power to destroy it!!

May it be protected by the unseen power.
The Gov won't destroy it as they are our head puppets and will tow the line. As Squid brilliantly pointed out, this is a win win for the corps.
How about going one better, we just let corporations run the country?

I mean, they're people aren't they? Let 'em run for elected office.

Forget political parties! Big business organizations are the future.

Want the real thing? Go to the polls and select Coca-Cola
Like having it your way? Vote for Burger King.
Looking for America to be your kind of place again? Elect McDonalds. It'll be great.
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Post by Raggedyann » 06-01-2016 03:34 PM

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Raggedyann wrote:
Doka wrote:OMG! This is my dream!! A form of Socialism funded directly by the Corporations themselves and not a direct hit of "Robbing" your neighbor to get the funds. And best of all

will not be a Government program with hundreds of greedy hands taking" Their" share. This is capitalism at its best, It has the capacity to be streamlined and be super

efficient and capable of nipping corruption in the bud. Which is why the current Government will do every thing in it's power to destroy it!!

May it be protected by the unseen power.
The Gov won't destroy it as they are our head puppets and will tow the line. As Squid brilliantly pointed out, this is a win win for the corps.
How about going one better, we just let corporations run the country?

I mean, they're people aren't they? Let 'em run for elected office.

Forget political parties! Big business organizations are the future.

Want the real thing? Go to the polls and select Coca-Cola
Like having it your way? Vote for Burger King.
Looking for America to be your kind of place again? Elect McDonalds. It'll be great.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Just think, if Romney had won in 2012, this could have been a way of life by now. :D
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Post by voguy » 06-01-2016 03:55 PM

Raggedyann wrote:Didn't used to be this way.
True. But we've taken God out of our schools. Our pledges out as well. We no longer learn about civics, and useful things in life.

Instead, we teach to the test. Tell all kids that achieving doesn't matter, they will still get a reward. We no longer hold parents responsible PRIMARILY for their kids. And we excuse any social misbehaving as being troubled or needing a drug to quiet down.

We're getting children who are responding to the environment society gives them.

The proof to me is in the graduation and grade statistics in schools where there is regiment, order, and teaching them the right stuff.
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Raggedyann wrote:
Riddick wrote:
Raggedyann wrote:The Gov won't destroy it as they are our head puppets and will tow the line. As Squid brilliantly pointed out, this is a win win for the corps.
How about going one better, we just let corporations run the country?

I mean, they're people aren't they? Let 'em run for elected office.

Forget political parties! Big business organizations are the future.

Want the real thing? Go to the polls and select Coca-Cola
Like having it your way? Vote for Burger King.
Looking for America to be your kind of place again? Elect McDonalds. It'll be great.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Just think, if Romney had won in 2012, this could have been a way of life by now. :D
If only he'd worn a red and yellow clown outfit, y'know, or some such outfit suitable for any fantasy world leader.

Doesn't really matter what they put on for the public, in the end they're all Bozos.
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Post by Raggedyann » 06-01-2016 04:42 PM

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Raggedyann wrote:Didn't used to be this way.
True. But we've taken God out of our schools. Our pledges out as well. We no longer learn about civics, and useful things in life.

Instead, we teach to the test. Tell all kids that achieving doesn't matter, they will still get a reward. We no longer hold parents responsible PRIMARILY for their kids. And we excuse any social misbehaving as being troubled or needing a drug to quiet down.

We're getting children who are responding to the environment society gives them.

The proof to me is in the graduation and grade statistics in schools where there is regiment, order, and teaching them the right stuff.
Other than the God reference I have to agree with you.

Also upon first reading, I winced at the word "regiment" but then my mind hearkened back to my schooling in England many moons ago. I did very well in school over there but not so much for the first couple of years in Canada. For one thing I hated mixed gender. At age 12, I found the mix intimidating and I was confused and lost at the seeming turmoil and lack of strict order in comparison to English schools. Being a strong willed kid, (no surprise), I thrived in an environment where there were serious consequences for goofy behaviour and took full advantage of the new freedom, much to my own detriment. I think kids need protection from themselves and reasonable order somehow feels safe. Actually, I required severe corporal punishment every 15 minutes. :D
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Post by Doka » 06-01-2016 05:10 PM

Riddick wrote:
Raggedyann wrote:
Doka wrote:OMG! This is my dream!! A form of Socialism funded directly by the Corporations themselves and not a direct hit of "Robbing" your neighbor to get the funds. And best of all

will not be a Government program with hundreds of greedy hands taking" Their" share. This is capitalism at its best, It has the capacity to be streamlined and be super

efficient and capable of nipping corruption in the bud. Which is why the current Government will do every thing in it's power to destroy it!!

May it be protected by the unseen power.
The Gov won't destroy it as they are our head puppets and will tow the line. As Squid brilliantly pointed out, this is a win win for the corps.
How about going one better, we just let corporations run the country?

I mean, they're people aren't they? Let 'em run for elected office.

Forget political parties! Big business organizations are the future.

Want the real thing? Go to the polls and select Coca-Cola
Like having it your way? Vote for Burger King.
Looking for America to be your kind of place again? Elect McDonalds. It'll be great.

Or run by Monsanto (questionable food), Microsoft (Eugenics), Big Pharma, Big Medical (currently hog tied), and not to mention the whole Military Industrial Complex, and a whole bunch of others , like Soros, who is a Venture Capitalist. Who is trying to destroy capitalism, from the billions he makes through capitalism! He and the other Nazis are the ones backing our current Government over throw. Sure hope we don't have to go through this every 70 years!

Hmm, maybe political parties are being put to rest, right under our noses, and big corporations sure don't run themselves like government or they would not be profitable . Like it or not most are governed by people , they call them Share Holders, who vote.

Even with our Government printing presses running full whack , they will never have enough. The Cabal of power and greed. They are corrupt, liars, who are doing things they don't want any one know about, they feed in the dark.

I don't know what would you rather have at the moment, a corrupt government, that keeps trying to kill us, or a well run business of which we all would be the "Stock Holders" and beneficiaries. ? Just a thought.............
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Doka wrote:I don't know what would you rather have at the moment, a corrupt government, that keeps trying to kill us, or a well run business of which we all would be the "Stock Holders" and beneficiaries. ? Just a thought.............
Indeed a well run business can be successful, yet at the same time another business can be well run, yet not profitable. Conversely, a business can be profitable, yet not well run. How's that all compute? Maybe the table is tilted and the game is rigged?

Government/corporate collusion! "The Big Club". What Squid said about big business backing big government barriers. Co-conspirators! Partners in crime and corruption.

Yeah, corrupt government sucks. Better a well run business, well, that all depends. Who's to say it's any less homicidally disposed? Sorry, Doka. Color me unconvinced.
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Post by Doka » 06-01-2016 10:04 PM

I'm not sure either, just tossing ideas around. I think I'm very tired.
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Post by Riddick » 06-02-2016 12:39 AM

Doka wrote:I'm not sure either, just tossing ideas around. I think I'm very tired.
Me too, 'specially of SOS government/business leaders! All too often competency's hard to come by, same with incorruptibility. Both at once, that's like striking gold

A cousin's cousin's been at a major med systems company 3 decades plus, but he from way back's related all the stupid and shady sh!t that goes on there. And yet even though their best years are behind them now they manage to keep on going.

IMHO his take on it all, "It's a miracle anything gets done," can be said for a lotta organizations public and private. Divine intervention, hmm? Now that's the ticket!

Still, so much it's always the lesser of two evils, maybe this whole election thing's a crock - Really, if God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.
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Post by SquidInk » 06-02-2016 10:19 AM

How about going one better, we just let corporations run the country?

I mean, they're people aren't they? Let 'em run for elected office.

Forget political parties! Big business organizations are the future.

Want the real thing? Go to the polls and select Coca-Cola
This will actually happen. I am not kidding. It's a very logical & plausible stepping stone on the Amerikan trajectory of fail.
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How about going one better, we just let corporations run the country?

I mean, they're people aren't they? Let 'em run for elected office.

Forget political parties! Big business organizations are the future.

Want the real thing? Go to the polls and select Coca-Cola

This will actually happen. I am not kidding. It's a very logical & plausible stepping stone on the Amerikan trajectory of fail.
Amerika's your kind of place *CLAP CLAP*
It's such a happy place

Surrounded by a border fence
No one need take offense

And look here, what's inside the cage?
UBI comes of age

Amerika's your kind of place (*OUR kind of place!*)
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Post by voguy » 06-02-2016 04:40 PM

Raggedyann wrote:Other than the God reference I have to agree with you.
Also upon first reading, I winced at the word "regiment" but then my mind hearkened back to my schooling in England many moons ago.
God, being interchangeable in different faiths, is a glue to many things; some of which are ethics, honesty, and sillier things like the golden rule. For young kids it's necessary, along the same line as "Raggedyann, if you don't be good Santa Claus won't bring you toys." While it seems insignificant to us now, at the time in preschool and younger grades it was helpful.

I came from both public and private background, (three years in private), which I am thankful for. The three years gave me the focus and the appreciation for business, and money which we didn't have in public schools. Our teachings in public was simply how to make change. In private it was about investment, interest, and what bonds and stocks were. In a way I think we need this today. Now it seems that millennials have no clue how to save or invest. The thought is totally foreign to them.

A regimented school system turns out better kids than the "let them run free" classrooms.
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Riddick wrote:Indeed a well run business can be successful, yet at the same time another business can be well run, yet not profitable. Conversely, a business can be profitable, yet not well run. How's that all compute?
I'm not saying there is not some corruption within business, the worst being larger companies suppressing successful small companies. I think we can each make a long list.

But in business, there are winners and losers, and it's like fishing. You can have two people go out in identical boats to fish, and one may do well while the other is miserable at catching anything. Could it be one is better than the other? One uses instinct and knowledge to locate the right place to fish, and knows what bait to use. I'm sure ignorance will have some saying that the more prosperous guy cheated, but I've found that's not always the case. To the contrary, one who assumes that is usually someone who has life hand them a hard way to go. The smart person learns from the other's successes and applies them to their goals.
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voguy wrote:I'm not saying there is not some corruption within business, the worst being larger companies suppressing successful small companies. I think we can each make a long list.
Big fish eat little fish, it happens. Nature y'know. When little fish are all gone? That'll be something to see.
voguy wrote:The smart person learns from the other's successes and applies them to their goals.
And may go beyond the other's successes.

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach that man to fish, and eventually he may catch more than you. Comes the day you ask him for a fish, he may give you one, OR he may give you a dirty look instead.

Of course, clearly on balance what we need is a universal basic can of tuna.
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