From: "Ivan Newman" <chuck711@d...>
Date: Sat Aug 7, 2004 12:25 pm
Subject: Lets Get Serious
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/howtobuil ... message/78
Dear folks,
My name is Ivan Newman. I am as curious and intelligent as anybody.
My research into Flying Saucers has carried me to this place where I
began so very long ago. The technology involved in the operations of
Flying Saucers is identical in one particular way with the technology
involved in any field of business, and that congruency is "Secret".
In the field of Medicine and Doctoring and Surgery and so forth,
there exist cures for every disease at a very low cost and these
cures are withheld from you because Doctors, like Engineers and
Scientists and the rest of humanity are Very Greedy and thereby very
Stupid indeed.
This brings us to the point of this E-mail. I am going into Area 51
and I ain't scared of no Goddamned evil angel posing as an alien and
fooling everyone else but me. If there is any one reading this E-mail
whose got what it takes to do something REAL, then by God answer me
now and let us begin our formal requests to the Goddamned National
Security Agency and let's play cards with those evil angels.
Very truly,
Ivan Newman
************ {My Reply is as follows}...
Subject: REPLY To: H.T.B.A.F.S Message#78 - "Lets Get Serious"
To: chuck711@d...
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:03:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Gary Voss" <T....>
Dear, Ivan,
Albeit congruency appears to remain "Secret" on the surface,
the answers to many of them are often hidden in "plain view"
Suppression by those shadow entities on a variety of platforms which
prevent those who aim to unite and build these secrets and exploit
them are those who become a rapid target of their interest.
Of all the reasons to maintain the half a century old cover-up, i.e.
admission of the lie to the American & World-Wide public via full
disclosure; ( which by the way would only come forth in the
representation of yet another "impartial" truth from a comilation of
biased sources) The reaction of the public may indeed still remain a
concern to our world security agencies however the real necessity to
maintain secrecy revolves around the issue of continued control of
our "Freedom of Mobility" be it power & propulsion around our planet,
or elswhere is the apex of reasoning that continues to be a major
concern above all other reasoning.
Why would the control of our freedom of mobility be a major concern
above all others, and what does this have to do with disclosure of
Aliens & UFO's?
The advanced "Power-Plant" that these beings use in their craft lies
at the very heart of all contention of this cover-up which suggests
that any private citizen, or public groups who has access to a
hyperdimensional engine would prove difficult, if nearly impossible
to control withing the way the technology thatour current
infrastructure is operating within. If there was need to declare
martial law, or a quarantine for whatever reasons (good, or
clandestine) by the powers that be, these "choke-points" such as road
blocks, or runway closures would not prove very successful to stop
anyone who is using a hyperdimensional warp-drive propulsion system
to move themselves from one location, to another nearly undetected,
and unstopable.
The same applies to any form of energy system that relies upon
similar principles that would ultimately lead to the discovery of
such a propulsion system.
Unless you have access to such a proponent, any attempts to
infiltrate other facilities which also incorporate the use of such
technology would be nearly impossible, if not improbable if you wish
to succeeed in your mission, whatever your objectives may be?
Regardless of the number of supporters;
Without Unity, success to circumvent this age old dilema will never
see the light of day!
~T12
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We have several ways we "Can" acquire this "Propulsion System" and we
do not need to wait for them to finally back down (which would be
dangerous, if not wishfull thinking, and un-realistic) - nor do we
need wait for them to hand down to us bits & pieces of this
technology, which would never effect much change if we wish to evolve
humanity to the brink of global liberation before global destruction
occurs.
There are pleanty of us free thinkers & independant experimentors
from a variety of experiences, we only need to unite and share our
information & wisdom to Build what is required to succeed! There is
pleanty of information available already to enable us to build such a
thing, it is only fear, doubt, and a lack of resources that prevents
us from accomplishing our mission. If we unite together and take the
inititive to discipline ourselves to work around these issues, I have
every bit of confidence that in due "Time" we just may see civilians
replicating these things to match wits against the power-corrupt
social elite & beat them at their own game!
Information is available, some may be questionable, some may be
incomplete, some may be difficult to understand, some may be so
simple, it may seem ridiculous, but non-the-less when you compile all
the data together & look for the commonalities between them all,
together you may find an intelligent pattern that may provide just
the right amount of information to experience the "Ah-Ha" effect
which should inspire you to start building!
You may Begin...
*UFO PROPULSION SYSTEMS
Compiled by Dee Finney - "I went to an upper room where I was shown a
white disc - a ring with a hole in the center. This represented a
UFO. On the under-side was the propulsion system. There were 3 large
shapes, which I noticed ended up in the #7. In between the 3 large
triangle-spirals were 3 smaller triangle-spirals also ending with the
#7 in the center."
http://www.greatdreams.com/propulsion.htm
*UFO Technology Hackers Manuel - (2nd Edition)
In the UFO Technology Hackers Manual,Second Edition Michael
McDonnough has demonstrated once again that we do indeed have the
potential for technological advancement with field dependent drive
systems that are clean, efficient, and fast. This book is not about
alien technology, reverse engineering, or any other hypothetical
material. This book is about the fact that mankind has the ability to
go out into space without need for rockets. It is about electric and
magnetic field dependent drive systems that have been conceived by
human beings like you and I and patented over the last 50 years or
so. The UFO Technology Hackers are inventors and garage tinkers just
like us. The patent office is stuffed with patent art that can
explain a lot of the mystery behind the science involved in
reactionless drive spacecraft often called UFOs because they are so
different from what we expect from normal aircraft.
http://www.betavoltaic.com/UFOBOOK/main.html
*U.S. MANUFACTURED FLYING SAUCERS
by Melvin D. Saunders.
http://www.braincourse.com/saucera.html
*The Wilbert B. Smith Web Page
Dedicated to Wilbert Brockhouse Smith, a Great Canadian and Pioneer
of Scientific UFO Research. - Smith continued his whole career to
build a ship to achieve the task of talking to the aliens, and he was
fully justified in doing so!
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nebula/5924
*The Schauberger's Flying Saucer and "the repulsion" principle
By Jean-Louis Naudin.
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/jlnlabs/html/repulsin.htm
*The David Hamel Connection
David Hamel's Website
http://free.prohosting.com/~hamel/index.htm
*StarDrive: an All-Electric Flying Saucer
Flying saucer buffs will be gratified to learn that certain UFO
research contributed important clues to the design of the StarDrive
Field Generator developed by Archer Enterprises.
http://www.stardrivedevice.com
*Otis Carr: Utron
Carr's "Utron" is a classic man-made flying saucer that has been
dismissed as a hoax since he never publicly demonstrated the craft,
was charged with stock fraud, &c: another fine mess. Here's a
definitive collection of the factoids: all the available technical
info, model construction plans, his patent, interview, articles, &c.
Go figure...
http://www.rexresearch.com/carr/1carr.htm
*How to constuct an UFO.
Many people think that an UFO is probably propelled by some kind of
antigravity magnetic motor. I have a totally different thinking. I
believe that an UFO is propelled by jet engine. UFO's gyroscopic body
rotates and serves as its wing to keep UFO's body balanced in the
air. Hopefully everyone knows what a gyroscope is.
http://www.alexchiu.com/advertisers/ufoframe.htm
*How to build a flying saucer (in MARION)
How to build a flying saucer Title: How to build a flying saucer :
and other proposals in speculative engineering / T.B. Pawlicki.
Author: Pawlicki, T. B. Published: Englewood Cliffs, N.J. : Prentice-
Hall, c1981. Subject: Technology Miscellanea.
http://einsy1.clpgh.org:8888/MARION/AAS-3944
*How to Build a UFO
(Tony Laslie's Homepage) This page is for anyone who has ever wanted
to build their own UFO! The problem most run into is finding the
information on these new technologies. I have compiled here, most of
the information that one would need to start building that UFO you
have been dreaming about since you were a child! - In the 1950's and
into the 60's the bell shaped UFO was seen in many parts of the
world, and continues today. George Van Tassel, George Adamski, and
others who have made contact with the occupants of these bell shaped
crafts have offered some insights into how they are built. The
following information is based on their testimony.
http://www.tonylaslie.com/how_to_build_a_ufo.html
*How to Build a Flying Saucer After So Many Amateurs Have Failed !
An essay in Speculative Engineering by T. B. P. - Please Note: The
contents of this page Also inludes: N.T., Man Ahead of His Time by
B..J. - Post Script by The Order of Time by T.H.E. Servant & etc.
http://www.theorderoftime.com/science/s ... aucer.html
*HOW TO BUILD A DISC SHAPED VTOL AIRCRAFT
by Giesbert Nijhuis - "It's easy to make a "flying saucer" Just put
some computer controlled rockets in a disc, and up you go. But it's
hard to make one fly well. It should be a safe and fuel efficient
air/space craft."
http://www.laesieworks.com/ifo/how
*FreeWheel
IDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 101: "Before you decide whether 'Flying
Saucers' exist, learn how they have already been constructed on
Earth - and how they are built. A condenser (or capacitor) IS the
link between electricity and gravity. Most flying disks are giant
directed capacitors...Although there are multiple sources of saucers
http://www.geocities.com/r_ayana/FreeWheel.html
*Flying Saucers Explained!
By: John Walker - "Suppose that we find no radio messages traveling
through space, transmitted by extraterrestrial civilizations for our
enlightenment. Suppose that we fail to find traces of life anywhere
outside our own planet. What then would be the minimum modifications
that would have to be imposed upon terrestrial life to enable us to
make good nature's lack? Now that genetic engineering is rapidly
becoming a practical proposition, it is not absurd to think of
redesigning terrestrial creatures so as to make them viable in space
or on other celestial bodies."
http://www.fourmilab.to/goldberg/saucers.html
*Flying Saucer Machines - Man Made Flying Saucer Technologies
This group is for the discusions and developments of man made
antigravity propulsion technology systems.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FlyingSaucerMachines
*Flying Saucers - Secret History.
[April 1998] - A new report by Tim Matthews.
http://ufoinfo.com/news/fssh.html
*DiskFlight. For the serious builder of disk-shaped aircraft.
The internet's foremost inquiry into the construction of flying
saucers. We're serious about science. Free newsletter.
http://gallery.in-tch.com/~samwidge
*David Adair
ET and Space Science Speaker, extraordinaire. - Mr. Adair is an
internationally recognized expert in space technology spinoff
applications for industry and commercial use. At age 11 he built his
first of hundreds of rockets which he designed and test fle
http://www.flyingsaucers.com/adair1.htm
*DR 37: Strange Gravity
A public link page providing a variety of resources on this
topic. ... back with further technical details on his flying saucer
simulator and a description of the "strange gravity ... inside the
disk. How do you build a flying saucer?
http://www.ufomind.com/area51/desertrat ... vity.shtml
*An Aeronautical History of Flying Saucers
by Manuel Carballal - [Excerpted from his book "Saucers Unveiled!",
1995] "The concept of "flying saucers" has become synonymous with
that of UFO, and by logical extension, to "extraterrestrial
spacecraft." The truth is that these concepts are not necessarily
related."
http://www.inexplicata.com/issue1/aeron ... story.html
*Amazing Secrets About UFOs, Flying Saucers and Aliens
Finally told in a way that makes sense. WE ARE NOT ALONE.and never
have been! If you think you've heard it all, you're in for a surpise!
This compelling website lays out the important facts...
http://www.flyingsaucers101.com
*"Coolmax" on How to Build Your Own Saucer
More than just a flying toy - "back engineered UFO technology"! While
a frisbee spins, the UFO glider flys instead by "skip gliding". This
weird aerodynamic skip was first observed by the man who helped coin
the term "flying saucer" - Kenneth Arnold. In 1947, Arnold was
cruising in his small plane when he observed a formation of nine ufos
in flight. He said: "They flew like a saucer would if you skipped it
across water."
http://ufos.coolmaxhot.com/back-enginee ... nology.htm
*[UFO Workshop] - Physical Evidence Related to UFO Reports
This gathering united several extremely well placed scientists to
discuss, study and formulate intentions concerning UFOs. By doing so,
they made an important breakthrough out of the deadlock of ridicule
and fantasy that surrounds the subject. Their findings are of a
highly rational and meticulously methodical nature. Thanks to their
courageous attempt, the UFO subject is now finally where it belongs:
at the top of the most challenging scientific phenomena under
investigation. The excruciating workshop definitively underlines that
a real phenomenon definitely corresponds to the decennia of detailed
UFO reports.
http://extraterrestrial-life.net/UFO_sc ... rkshop.htm
do not need to wait for them to finally back down (which would be
dangerous, if not wishfull thinking, and un-realistic) - nor do we
need wait for them to hand down to us bits & pieces of this
technology, which would never effect much change if we wish to evolve
humanity to the brink of global liberation before global destruction
occurs.
There are pleanty of us free thinkers & independant experimentors
from a variety of experiences, we only need to unite and share our
information & wisdom to Build what is required to succeed! There is
pleanty of information available already to enable us to build such a
thing, it is only fear, doubt, and a lack of resources that prevents
us from accomplishing our mission. If we unite together and take the
inititive to discipline ourselves to work around these issues, I have
every bit of confidence that in due "Time" we just may see civilians
replicating these things to match wits against the power-corrupt
social elite & beat them at their own game!
Information is available, some may be questionable, some may be
incomplete, some may be difficult to understand, some may be so
simple, it may seem ridiculous, but non-the-less when you compile all
the data together & look for the commonalities between them all,
together you may find an intelligent pattern that may provide just
the right amount of information to experience the "Ah-Ha" effect
which should inspire you to start building!
You may Begin...
*UFO PROPULSION SYSTEMS
Compiled by Dee Finney - "I went to an upper room where I was shown a
white disc - a ring with a hole in the center. This represented a
UFO. On the under-side was the propulsion system. There were 3 large
shapes, which I noticed ended up in the #7. In between the 3 large
triangle-spirals were 3 smaller triangle-spirals also ending with the
#7 in the center."
http://www.greatdreams.com/propulsion.htm
*UFO Technology Hackers Manuel - (2nd Edition)
In the UFO Technology Hackers Manual,Second Edition Michael
McDonnough has demonstrated once again that we do indeed have the
potential for technological advancement with field dependent drive
systems that are clean, efficient, and fast. This book is not about
alien technology, reverse engineering, or any other hypothetical
material. This book is about the fact that mankind has the ability to
go out into space without need for rockets. It is about electric and
magnetic field dependent drive systems that have been conceived by
human beings like you and I and patented over the last 50 years or
so. The UFO Technology Hackers are inventors and garage tinkers just
like us. The patent office is stuffed with patent art that can
explain a lot of the mystery behind the science involved in
reactionless drive spacecraft often called UFOs because they are so
different from what we expect from normal aircraft.
http://www.betavoltaic.com/UFOBOOK/main.html
*U.S. MANUFACTURED FLYING SAUCERS
by Melvin D. Saunders.
http://www.braincourse.com/saucera.html
*The Wilbert B. Smith Web Page
Dedicated to Wilbert Brockhouse Smith, a Great Canadian and Pioneer
of Scientific UFO Research. - Smith continued his whole career to
build a ship to achieve the task of talking to the aliens, and he was
fully justified in doing so!
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nebula/5924
*The Schauberger's Flying Saucer and "the repulsion" principle
By Jean-Louis Naudin.
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/jlnlabs/html/repulsin.htm
*The David Hamel Connection
David Hamel's Website
http://free.prohosting.com/~hamel/index.htm
*StarDrive: an All-Electric Flying Saucer
Flying saucer buffs will be gratified to learn that certain UFO
research contributed important clues to the design of the StarDrive
Field Generator developed by Archer Enterprises.
http://www.stardrivedevice.com
*Otis Carr: Utron
Carr's "Utron" is a classic man-made flying saucer that has been
dismissed as a hoax since he never publicly demonstrated the craft,
was charged with stock fraud, &c: another fine mess. Here's a
definitive collection of the factoids: all the available technical
info, model construction plans, his patent, interview, articles, &c.
Go figure...
http://www.rexresearch.com/carr/1carr.htm
*How to constuct an UFO.
Many people think that an UFO is probably propelled by some kind of
antigravity magnetic motor. I have a totally different thinking. I
believe that an UFO is propelled by jet engine. UFO's gyroscopic body
rotates and serves as its wing to keep UFO's body balanced in the
air. Hopefully everyone knows what a gyroscope is.
http://www.alexchiu.com/advertisers/ufoframe.htm
*How to build a flying saucer (in MARION)
How to build a flying saucer Title: How to build a flying saucer :
and other proposals in speculative engineering / T.B. Pawlicki.
Author: Pawlicki, T. B. Published: Englewood Cliffs, N.J. : Prentice-
Hall, c1981. Subject: Technology Miscellanea.
http://einsy1.clpgh.org:8888/MARION/AAS-3944
*How to Build a UFO
(Tony Laslie's Homepage) This page is for anyone who has ever wanted
to build their own UFO! The problem most run into is finding the
information on these new technologies. I have compiled here, most of
the information that one would need to start building that UFO you
have been dreaming about since you were a child! - In the 1950's and
into the 60's the bell shaped UFO was seen in many parts of the
world, and continues today. George Van Tassel, George Adamski, and
others who have made contact with the occupants of these bell shaped
crafts have offered some insights into how they are built. The
following information is based on their testimony.
http://www.tonylaslie.com/how_to_build_a_ufo.html
*How to Build a Flying Saucer After So Many Amateurs Have Failed !
An essay in Speculative Engineering by T. B. P. - Please Note: The
contents of this page Also inludes: N.T., Man Ahead of His Time by
B..J. - Post Script by The Order of Time by T.H.E. Servant & etc.
http://www.theorderoftime.com/science/s ... aucer.html
*HOW TO BUILD A DISC SHAPED VTOL AIRCRAFT
by Giesbert Nijhuis - "It's easy to make a "flying saucer" Just put
some computer controlled rockets in a disc, and up you go. But it's
hard to make one fly well. It should be a safe and fuel efficient
air/space craft."
http://www.laesieworks.com/ifo/how
*FreeWheel
IDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS 101: "Before you decide whether 'Flying
Saucers' exist, learn how they have already been constructed on
Earth - and how they are built. A condenser (or capacitor) IS the
link between electricity and gravity. Most flying disks are giant
directed capacitors...Although there are multiple sources of saucers
http://www.geocities.com/r_ayana/FreeWheel.html
*Flying Saucers Explained!
By: John Walker - "Suppose that we find no radio messages traveling
through space, transmitted by extraterrestrial civilizations for our
enlightenment. Suppose that we fail to find traces of life anywhere
outside our own planet. What then would be the minimum modifications
that would have to be imposed upon terrestrial life to enable us to
make good nature's lack? Now that genetic engineering is rapidly
becoming a practical proposition, it is not absurd to think of
redesigning terrestrial creatures so as to make them viable in space
or on other celestial bodies."
http://www.fourmilab.to/goldberg/saucers.html
*Flying Saucer Machines - Man Made Flying Saucer Technologies
This group is for the discusions and developments of man made
antigravity propulsion technology systems.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FlyingSaucerMachines
*Flying Saucers - Secret History.
[April 1998] - A new report by Tim Matthews.
http://ufoinfo.com/news/fssh.html
*DiskFlight. For the serious builder of disk-shaped aircraft.
The internet's foremost inquiry into the construction of flying
saucers. We're serious about science. Free newsletter.
http://gallery.in-tch.com/~samwidge
*David Adair
ET and Space Science Speaker, extraordinaire. - Mr. Adair is an
internationally recognized expert in space technology spinoff
applications for industry and commercial use. At age 11 he built his
first of hundreds of rockets which he designed and test fle
http://www.flyingsaucers.com/adair1.htm
*DR 37: Strange Gravity
A public link page providing a variety of resources on this
topic. ... back with further technical details on his flying saucer
simulator and a description of the "strange gravity ... inside the
disk. How do you build a flying saucer?
http://www.ufomind.com/area51/desertrat ... vity.shtml
*An Aeronautical History of Flying Saucers
by Manuel Carballal - [Excerpted from his book "Saucers Unveiled!",
1995] "The concept of "flying saucers" has become synonymous with
that of UFO, and by logical extension, to "extraterrestrial
spacecraft." The truth is that these concepts are not necessarily
related."
http://www.inexplicata.com/issue1/aeron ... story.html
*Amazing Secrets About UFOs, Flying Saucers and Aliens
Finally told in a way that makes sense. WE ARE NOT ALONE.and never
have been! If you think you've heard it all, you're in for a surpise!
This compelling website lays out the important facts...
http://www.flyingsaucers101.com
*"Coolmax" on How to Build Your Own Saucer
More than just a flying toy - "back engineered UFO technology"! While
a frisbee spins, the UFO glider flys instead by "skip gliding". This
weird aerodynamic skip was first observed by the man who helped coin
the term "flying saucer" - Kenneth Arnold. In 1947, Arnold was
cruising in his small plane when he observed a formation of nine ufos
in flight. He said: "They flew like a saucer would if you skipped it
across water."
http://ufos.coolmaxhot.com/back-enginee ... nology.htm
*[UFO Workshop] - Physical Evidence Related to UFO Reports
This gathering united several extremely well placed scientists to
discuss, study and formulate intentions concerning UFOs. By doing so,
they made an important breakthrough out of the deadlock of ridicule
and fantasy that surrounds the subject. Their findings are of a
highly rational and meticulously methodical nature. Thanks to their
courageous attempt, the UFO subject is now finally where it belongs:
at the top of the most challenging scientific phenomena under
investigation. The excruciating workshop definitively underlines that
a real phenomenon definitely corresponds to the decennia of detailed
UFO reports.
http://extraterrestrial-life.net/UFO_sc ... rkshop.htm
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