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Catholic Bishop: There Is An 'Anti-Gospel' Schism In The Church

Post by Riddick » 12-10-2016 12:51 AM

Catholic Bishop Athanasius Schneider, echoing concerns that some bishops apparently are misrepresenting Church teaching on marriage, divorce, and Communion, said a "certain type of schism already exists in the Church" over these issues, and it is a "bizarre form of schism" because the clergy who reportedly are promoting error are using their authority to smear other bishops who are teaching the truth. The truth-tellers are being labeled schismatics, said the bishop.

He added that this "schism" and the scandal and confusion it generates is giving rise to an "anti-gospel," a worldly gospel that looks divine on the outside but is false on the inside. FULL STORY

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Re: Catholic Bishop: There Is An 'Anti-Gospel' Schism In The Church

Post by Doka » 12-10-2016 10:36 AM

The Catholic insiders knew that they had a "Renegade" for a Pope, before the ink was dry. The incessant in fighting on who owns god, has been going on for thousands of years. Like any big business or government they assume that they are too big to fail/fall. In the meantime the "Faithful" are getting more and more frustrated. NOT a heavenly emotion.
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Re: Catholic Bishop: There Is An 'Anti-Gospel' Schism In The Church

Post by kbot » 12-11-2016 11:06 AM

Catholics - at least those old enough, know that there has been a schism going back decades to at least Vatican II - some will say since the 1800s with the push towards Modernism.
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Cardinal: 'Serious Division' Could 'Develop Into A Formal Schism'

Post by Riddick » 12-29-2016 12:41 AM

One of the top bishops in the Catholic Church, American Cardinal Raymond Burke, said there is "a very serious division in the Church which has to be mended" or it "could develop into a formal schism."

Cardinal Burke, the former head of the highest court at the Vatican, made his remarks in reference to the ongoing public debate over Pope Francis' letter on the family, Amoris Laetitia (The Joy of Love). In the letter, it is unclear whether the Pope is saying it is okay for divorced and civilly remarried Catholics -- who are objectively living in adultery, a serious sin -- to receive Holy Communion at Mass.

Cardinal Burke, four other cardinals, and 23 Catholic scholars and priests have publicly called upon the Pope to answer this question clearly -- yes or no -- and four related questions. So far, the Pope has not responded.

In a Dec. 19 interview with the Catholic World Report (CWR), Cardinal Burke was asked, "Bishop Athanasius Schneider, O.R.C., the Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Saint Mary in Astana, Kazakhstan and titular bishop of Celerina, who has written an open letter of support for the four cardinals and their dubia, has also said that the Church is in a de facto schism. Do you agree with that?"

Cardinal Burke replied, "There is a very serious division in the Church which has to be mended because it has to do with, as I said before, fundamental dogmatic and moral teaching. And if it's not clarified soon, it could develop into a formal schism."

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Post by kbot » 12-29-2016 11:50 AM

The Church has been fracturing since its inception. CNN recently ran a series, one segment dealt with the Gnostic text The Gospel of Judas, which made quite a stir at the outset, but since then, new information has come to light in terms of missing fragments has made the text much more readable, but this text, along with others than constitute the official New testament (Catholic or Protestant) show that there have been divisions from the outset. These have continued over the millennia with sects separating from The Church (Roman or Orthodox).

I think that since the 1850s the pace of schism within The Church, both in Rome as well as Moscow and Greece has quickened, especially since Vatican II.
In the US, the US Conference of Bishops has been on a collision course with Rome and is also heading into schism.

So many conflicting messages.....
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Conservative Criticism Intensifies Against Pope Francis

Post by Riddick » 02-05-2017 04:13 AM

VATICAN CITY — Conservative criticism of Pope Francis intensified Saturday after his intervention in the Knights of Malta order, with posters appearing around Rome citing his actions against conservative Catholics and asking: “Where’s your mercy?”

The posters appeared on the same day that Francis cemented his authority over the Knights by naming a top Vatican archbishop, Angelo Becciu, to be his special delegate to the ancient aristocratic order.

Francis gave Becciu, the No. 2 in the Vatican secretariat of state, “all necessary powers” to help lay the groundwork for a new constitution for the order, lead the spiritual renewal of its professed knights and prepare for the election of a new grand master, expected in three months.

The Vatican’s intervention with the sovereign group had provided fuel for Francis’ conservative critics, who until Saturday had largely confined their concern with his mercy-over-morals papacy to blogs, interviews and conferences. FULL STORY

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Now 6 Bishops Challenge Pope Francis On His Divorce/Remarriage Teaching

Post by Riddick » 01-08-2018 09:44 PM

Three more Catholic archbishops have signed on to a letter released by three bishops on Dec. 31, which publicly challenges Pope Francis' teaching on Communion for the "divorced and remarried" and states that his instruction is "alien to the entire Tradition of the Catholic and Apostolic Faith." FULL STORY

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Re: Catholic Bishop: There Is An 'Anti-Gospel' Schism In The Church

Post by kbot » 01-09-2018 12:24 PM

This is a tough one Riddick.

For my part, I always feel sad when, as we approach that portion of the Mass where the parishoners go to receive communion, I will see some people start to filter out the back of the church. These are those who have been married/ divorced and are now remarried.

It's a fine line that has to be navigated, whether on the local level or by the pope. According to Catholic beliefs, the pope is God's representative on earth and pronouncements from the pope are infallible. But I can't believe that all pronouncements made by various popes over time are comparatively infallible. For example, I have serious problems wit the sex abuse issue and how The Church has protected offenders for decades.

In the case of divorce, I prefer to look back on the scene where Christ instructs a group of (most probably) men about to stone a woman to be the first to cast a stone - provided they are without sin themselves..... I believe that, if a man and a woman are remarried after being divorced that they should be allowed by The Church to participate fully in The Church's rites and sacraments. But, that's me. I think that Christ preached forgiveness, and criticized the various Jewish religious sects that preached strict adherence to Old Testament beliefs and Temple laws.

But, I'm probably wrong n my beliefs and will most probably end-up spending time in Purgatory (if not some place far hotter.....)
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