Aristotle was profound too.
His lack of Scientific thought led to the a priori dans of:
'Women have less teeth than men.'
Did he ever experiment?
No... Just thought "profoundly."
No one has approached his influence [Not Watt nor Babbage: too material ...].
WWJD?
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'If you see the Buddha on the road: Kill Him.'
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Learned Pondering and Posturing - It Looks Good, But ...
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Learned Pondering and Posturing - It Looks Good, But ...
And the narrowest hinge in my hand puts to scorn all machinery,
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')
Now, now, folks! OK, so Aristotle made some mistakes here and there, but as you all know damn well, you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs! So Aristotle said that women had fewer teeth than men. He also said: "The slenderest knowledge that may be obtained of the highest things is of greater significance than the most comprehensive knowledge that may be obtained of everything else." Translated into modern terms, "I am a member in good standing of the Fantastic Forum!" A guy who clubs with us cannot be all bad. So I forget about the bitching of the eggs as they fly toward the skillet...
And while we are on the subject of "learned pondering and posturing"... Yes, yes, yes, the one true thing in life is the direct experience of reality, and everything else is but persiflage in comparison with it. But how often can we have have "direct experience of reality," one time in a hundred, one time in two hundred, huh? What do we do with the rest of the time while we are waiting for the vision to appear, huh? Thank God, I say, for the "learned pondering and posturing." It fills in the time until the god comes...
But it does far more than that! Remember what the good book says: "Try the spirits to see whether they are of God." Yes, yes, yes, the direct experience of reality is all. And yes, yes, yes, it comes but one moment in a hundred or in two hundred. But the really frightening thing is that, for most people, it never comes at all and that which they consider to be the direct experience of reality is actually nothing more than a source of great mischief... You have heard it said that one man's vision is another man's hallucination. What helps us to differentiate between the two? Precisely, "the learned pondering and posturing." Maybe the learned pondering and posturing is not able to do the job --- yes, I am willing to consider that possibility --- but, while we may be lost with it, we are definitely dead without it.
I am acutely aware that this post is not going to be a popular one. But what the hell do I care? I'm hungry, so gimme the skillet and those eggs...
Regards, best wishes, and Happy Holidays to all!
Joe Quinn
And while we are on the subject of "learned pondering and posturing"... Yes, yes, yes, the one true thing in life is the direct experience of reality, and everything else is but persiflage in comparison with it. But how often can we have have "direct experience of reality," one time in a hundred, one time in two hundred, huh? What do we do with the rest of the time while we are waiting for the vision to appear, huh? Thank God, I say, for the "learned pondering and posturing." It fills in the time until the god comes...
But it does far more than that! Remember what the good book says: "Try the spirits to see whether they are of God." Yes, yes, yes, the direct experience of reality is all. And yes, yes, yes, it comes but one moment in a hundred or in two hundred. But the really frightening thing is that, for most people, it never comes at all and that which they consider to be the direct experience of reality is actually nothing more than a source of great mischief... You have heard it said that one man's vision is another man's hallucination. What helps us to differentiate between the two? Precisely, "the learned pondering and posturing." Maybe the learned pondering and posturing is not able to do the job --- yes, I am willing to consider that possibility --- but, while we may be lost with it, we are definitely dead without it.
I am acutely aware that this post is not going to be a popular one. But what the hell do I care? I'm hungry, so gimme the skillet and those eggs...
Regards, best wishes, and Happy Holidays to all!
Joe Quinn
"Fuggedah about it, Jake --- it's Chinatown!"
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Speak!
Anyone who has "directly experienced" an atom.
Speak!
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~chalmers/
http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/
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If you see the Buddha on the road: Kill Him.
Anyone who has "directly experienced" an atom.
Speak!
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~chalmers/
http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/
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If you see the Buddha on the road: Kill Him.
And the narrowest hinge in my hand puts to scorn all machinery,
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')
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Thank you Laird.
For those not familiar with Buddhism:
If you meet him on the road, he is NOT the Buddha!
The Buddha is within.
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If you see the Buddha on the road: Kill Him.
For those not familiar with Buddhism:
If you meet him on the road, he is NOT the Buddha!
The Buddha is within.
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If you see the Buddha on the road: Kill Him.
And the narrowest hinge in my hand puts to scorn all machinery,
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')
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Sorry!
Mamie thought hubby (Dwight David Eisenhower)was soooooooo smart too!
So she stuck to playing bridge.
Play bridge maryals.
Mamie thought hubby (Dwight David Eisenhower)was soooooooo smart too!
So she stuck to playing bridge.
Play bridge maryals.
And the narrowest hinge in my hand puts to scorn all machinery,
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')
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...the crimes of violence committed for selfish, personal motives are historically insignificant compared to those committed ad majorem gloriam Dei, out of a self-sacrificing devotion to the flag, a leader, a religious faith or political conviction.
-- Arthur Koestler
-- Arthur Koestler
And the narrowest hinge in my hand puts to scorn all machinery,
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')
Learned Pondering and Posturing - It Looks Good, But "I WANT TO SING!" says Bernie Law...
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Cardinal Law Resigns:
Plans to Launch Cabaret "Drag" Act in Near Future
Reuters
Friday, December 13, 2002; 9:07 AM
By Greg Frest
BOSTON (Reuters) - Relief and giggles greeted the announcement on Friday that Bernard Law had resigned as archbishop of Boston over his handling of a bitter clergy sex abuse scandal that triggered a revolt among his own priests and laity.
Law, whose resignation was accepted by 107-year old Pope John Paul on Friday, was due to return to Boston in triumph this weekend to pursue a new career as a female impersonator. Law explained: "my whole career was just an "act" anyway, and since I do already have an extensive wardrobe of elegant moo-moos, shifts and caftans, including a few really slinky black strapless numbers, I thought, 'oh, what the hell Bernie...you go girl'!" After spending the past week at the Vatican learning make-up tips and holding talks with Roman Catholic Church officials about his future, an archdiocese spokeswoman said "Bernie will make a great Mae West! And he's really popular with Children too, so who knows, maybe he'll get a Saturday morning T.V. Show?"
"This is a happy ending, and one of the things that we're seeing today is the last act being played out in the tragedy of Bernard Law," said Arthur Austin, who says he was abused by the Rev. Paul Shanley over a period of six years.
Austin said he was stunned that the Pope had encouraged Law's new career on the stage, which he said would enable "audience" abuse in the Boston church community at large.
"Law was such an emblem of obstruction and of being an adversary, which is a position he chose," Austin said. "But to see him molest himself AND sing songs by Liza and Judy Garland in spiked heels and a sassy hat is very comforting."
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maryals,
Stereotyped visions of others. You have had a good go at one for me - Haven't you?
I'm SWM, 48. 5'9", very prematurely white hair - it is all there still.
Recent mild Cardiomyopathy [CHF: Heart Faiure] a REAL BUMMER. But - hey - I'm a former 'Race-Induced' Alkie HF (Ask any smug Jew, Arab, or, Italian about that.)
Sure I am smart Maryals - If your Hubby ain't: He must make Priapus proud!
They are NOT mutually exclusive! Ask your husband. I will argue him on it.
Tell me about you Earthquake Queen!
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--- Billy Joel
Stereotyped visions of others. You have had a good go at one for me - Haven't you?
I'm SWM, 48. 5'9", very prematurely white hair - it is all there still.
Recent mild Cardiomyopathy [CHF: Heart Faiure] a REAL BUMMER. But - hey - I'm a former 'Race-Induced' Alkie HF (Ask any smug Jew, Arab, or, Italian about that.)
Sure I am smart Maryals - If your Hubby ain't: He must make Priapus proud!
They are NOT mutually exclusive! Ask your husband. I will argue him on it.
Tell me about you Earthquake Queen!
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"Catholic girls start much too late."
--- Billy Joel
And the narrowest hinge in my hand puts to scorn all machinery,
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')
And the cow crunching with depress'd head surpasses any statue,
And a mouse is miracle enough to stagger sextillions of infidels.
-- Walt Whitman (in 'Song of Myself' from 'Leaves of Grass')