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WMD Found in Iraq: True or False?

Post by Bob73 » 11-13-2005 03:27 PM

Forgive me if this has been discussed before here
but if TRUE, I have never read it or heard it
discussed on TV or radio. I feel if it's true
both Right and Left Americans want the truth to
be revealed.....right?

The following Email claims that Weapons of Mass
Distruction WERE FOUND IN IRAQ! The list contains:

1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents

Chemical warheads containing cyclosarin (a nerve agent five times more deadly than sarin gas)

Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas

This is only a PARTIAL LIST of the horrific weapons verified to have been recovered in Iraq to date. Yet, Americans overwhelmingly believe U.S. and coalition forces found NO weapons of mass destruction.
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Post by Bellisima » 11-13-2005 04:05 PM

Bob, dare we ask what is the source of this wonderfully explicit email? Or is that classified information?
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Post by Waverider » 11-13-2005 04:10 PM

Maybe that was a list found by inspectors after the first Gulf War..?
Stuff CIA' sent them...?

Since nothing much has been found...

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Post by Linnea » 11-13-2005 04:12 PM

It is also stated that massive amounts of depleted uranium and white phosphorous have been found...in Iraq...since 1990.

Bob - seems if weapons of mass destruction were found in caches in Iraq - it would have been blasted all over the MSM. So, I doubt this account (unsourced) to be true.

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Post by SETIsLady » 11-13-2005 05:18 PM

If this was true I agree with Linnea, we would be hearing about this from now until Bush is out of office, after all this would vindicate him. We would have already heard I told you so.

I was able to find this
WMDs Found in Iraq
Posted Nov 9, 2005

Contrary to ongoing reports by mainstream media outlets, WMDs have been found in Iraq, so reports New York Times best-selling author Richard Miniter in his new book, Disinformation.

Consider these shocking facts:

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

This is only a partial list of the deadly weapons Miniter reveals in his new book, Disinformation. Miniter systematically dissects the "No-WMD Myth" (how it started, and why it continues), as well as 21 other War-on-Terror myths perpetuated by the media.

The intelligence revealed in Disinformation is vital. The publisher (Regnery, a sister company of HUMAN EVENTS) has agreed to send you one key chapter--free. Simply indicate below to which email address you want the chapter sent and you will receive it in a matter of minutes.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sartic ... 1&o=DIB004
Looks to me like someone is trying to push their book. Regardless of what this says again I doubt it is true.

Edit:

This story was just released and it pretty much confirms that none of this was found, because Bush is still saying the "intellegence was wrong"

Bush Adviser Says Iraq Weapons Data `Wrong,
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 11-14-2005 11:48 AM

Bob --
Things have been found - and why we haven't hears that much about them -- is called media.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=38213

some info there

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewSpecialRepo ... 1004a.html

some there along with links to other areas of information...

SO WHY hasn't it been talked about and pushed in the media -- good question...

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CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq

Post by SETIsLady » 11-14-2005 01:42 PM

Updated: 9:24 p.m. ET April 25, 2005

CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq
Recommends freeing detainees held for weapons knowledge

WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

“After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last fall.

“As matters now stand, the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible.”

In 92 pages posted online Monday evening, Duelfer provides a final look at an investigation that occupied over 1,000 military and civilian translators, weapons specialists and other experts at its peak. His latest addenda conclude a roughly 1,500-page report released last fall.

On Monday, Duelfer said there is no purpose in keeping many of the detainees who are in custody because of their knowledge on Iraq’s weapons, although he did not provide any details about the current number. A U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the ultimate decision on their release will be made by the Iraqi authorities.

Warnings about Saddam’s experts
The survey group also provided warnings.

The addenda conclude that Saddam’s programs created a pool of experts now available to develop and produce weapons and many will be seeking work. While most will probably turn to the “benign civil sector,” the danger remains that “hostile foreign governments, terrorists or insurgents may seek Iraqi expertise.”

“Because a single individual can advance certain WMD activities, it remains an important concern,” one addendum said.

Another addendum also noted that military forces in Iraq may continue to find small numbers of degraded chemical weapons — most likely misplaced or improperly destroyed before the 1991 Gulf War. In an insurgent’s hands, “the use of a single even ineffectual chemical weapon would likely cause more terror than deadlier conventional explosives,” another addendum said.

And still another said the survey group found some potential nuclear-related equipment was “missing from heavily damaged and looted sites.” Yet, because of the deteriorating security situation in Iraq, the survey group was unable to determine what happened to the equipment, which also had alternate civilian uses.

“Some of it probably has been sold for its scrap value. Other pieces might have been disassembled” and converted into motors or condensers, an addendum said. “Still others could have been taken intact to preserve their function.”

Small team still in place
Leaving the door to the investigation open just a crack, the U.S. official said a small team still operates under the U.S.-led multinational force in Iraq, although the survey group officially disbanded earlier this month. Those staying on continue to examine documents and follow up on any reports of weapons of mass destruction.

In a statement accompanying the final installment, Duelfer said a surprise discovery would most likely be in the biological weapons area because clues, such as the size of the facilities used to develop them, would be comparatively small.

Among unanswered questions, Duelfer said a group formed to investigate whether WMD-related material was shipped out of Iraq before the invasion wasn’t able to reach firm conclusions because the security situation limited and later halted their work. Investigators were focusing on transfers from Iraq to Syria.

No information gleaned from questioning Iraqis supported the possibility, one addendum said. The Iraq Survey Group believes “it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place. However, ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials.”

© 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/

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Post by Cherry Kelly » 11-16-2005 10:55 AM

I will continue to have serious questions in spite of Duefler's report - especially after reading reports provided by allied forces who not only put forth claims of things found during the first year. With the other failures of the CIA with regards to intelligence information one has to wonder..is Duefler merely covering the "derrier" as they say? Is he trying to tell our allies that they lied about the things they found? It would seem that is exactly what he is doing by the report.

However, he left himself an opening in "we don't know for sure" - with regards to what might have been removed or where it went. It gives him an out when other countries intel reports show up.

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Post by Bad Mojo » 11-21-2005 09:21 AM

Cherry Kelly wrote: I will continue to have serious questions in spite of Duefler's report - especially after reading reports provided by allied forces who not only put forth claims of things found during the first year. With the other failures of the CIA with regards to intelligence information one has to wonder..is Duefler merely covering the "derrier" as they say? Is he trying to tell our allies that they lied about the things they found? It would seem that is exactly what he is doing by the report.

However, he left himself an opening in "we don't know for sure" - with regards to what might have been removed or where it went. It gives him an out when other countries intel reports show up.


I see you have no problem linking to articles (very biased ones) where Deulfer is apparently stating they found WMD, but you automatically disagree if Deulfer states there are none.

Is Bush lying about WMD too? Or is he still looking for them under Oval office desk?

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Post by joequinn » 11-21-2005 09:59 AM

Let's get back to fundamentals.

The war was illegal and immoral from day one; it was foisted onto the American public by the Bush Administration through a set of cleverly orchestrated lies; Bush and Cheney are now being discredited for what they did, and they may even be impeached for it at some point in the future; and their followers have been exposed, if not as political morons, then as fascist collaborators and traitors to the United States.

What else is there to say? What else has there ever been to say?
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Post by Cherry Kelly » 11-21-2005 12:05 PM

BadMojo -- exactly -- and maybe thats why I pointed to those articles - because he DID say and mention stuff found - but now makes claim otherwise ... like "flipped"?? Decided later in spite of the findings that we didn't or none did --

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