Note from a friendly local bafoon

[metfreighter]

Hi Baggins. Just checked on the thread and thank you. I have run across of what you speak due to personal interest as well. The question that has crossed my mind recently is the percentage of psychiatric cases whose etiology were MKULTRA/SRA type. My scariar intuitions paint it as a distressingly high percentage. But I just do not know.

[metfreighter]

Hi Baggins. Just checked on the thread and thank you. I have run across of what you speak due to personal interest as well. The question that has crossed my mind recently is the percentage of psychiatric cases whose etiology were MKULTRA/SRA type. My scariar intuitions paint it as a distressingly high percentage. But I just do not know.

Thanks williamstade

[metfreighter]

And thank you troo spaceprophet. Those general characteristics were informative to read.

williamstade

[metfreighter]

Yeah kenny.rogers. I was talking to a parish priest a week or so ago and wondered if the dark techniques were based in any way off of mystery-school ideas.

Certain spiitual practices aim at personal transformation (towards the better). Wonder to what degree dark arts simply usurp and twist practices that aim towards simple spiritual evolution.

williamstade

[metfreighter]

I participated in related experiments at SRI (Stanford Research Institute) in early 60s. No LSD (from them, anyway). I earned an hour.

Geez. Make good money five dollars a day-ay. Make any more and I'd move away...

williamstade

[metfreighter]

Been waiting for remarks like these for awhile from this forum.

My own chaotic jumble of thoughts from about 1973 or 1974 involve a slight SRI reference. But I was on the East coast. Strange.

5:31 here EST and I slept all night, a rarity many times. I was a little annoyed that a blanket, which was under a second blanket both covering me, was laying on the floor with what was the second blanket now directly covering my body. Strange. But not prticularly strange.

I agree with the differentiation between mass market media mind control and trauma based techniques. I sat with my fiance watching the new movie Polar Express and nearly walked out. In fact I did. The opening 1/2 hour or so triggered all manner of lunacy in my head and literally walked out to have a cigarette with the intention of leaving. But, given we had gotten the tickets as a gift, gave it a second shot. Upon walking in again the triggering stuff subsided to a good degree thought it all felt a bit too intense for a friggin' movie. Laugh.

I say that because the opening lunacy originally triggered/ conjured MKULTRA type lunacy in me
though it took a tremedous upswing once the 'Christmas-as-near-orgiastic-materialism' settled out and a different spirit took the wheel.

Thanks folks... williamstade

[metfreighter]

I remember reading in a book, I think it was "The Cosmic Trigger Vol.1" about Mr. Timothy Leary.

It mentioned that at some set peroid (I forget what the actual time was) the mind was completely open to a new "program" to enter the mind.

This could be to have more self confidance, a religious belief, or a harmful manipulation.


I can just imagine what would happen to a concious who was told to "turn blank" or "disapear". And then told to do something some time after words.

If your talking about mass mind control all you have to do is look at your current political and social leaders.......

nice thread!

Leary... Smile. I still have no clear idea of what to make of him. Leary/Grof/and that guy known for his work with dolphins all seem to be floating around very similar points of view.

The "set and setting" can be a real double edged sword.

[metfreighter]

Albeit the most notably discussed guise of MKUltra is the CIA's LSD work, the agenda covered various other extraordinary investigations applicable to the science of mind control. CIA researchers probed the possibilities of many diverse parapsychological phenomena, in addition to hypnosis, telepathy, precognition, photokinesis and "remote viewing." Major Ed Dames, a frequent guest on C2C, is a former Army participant in the governments exploration of remote viewing.

Dames. Listening to him has rubbed me the wrong way more months and months though the first couple of times I heard him was fascinated.

Now the work of Stephan Scwartz, D.Morehouse, and that camp have caught my eye. It's as if Mr.Dames in some wierd way *wants* the apocalyptic side of things. No balance at all. There's more to creation. Much more.

[metfreighter]

One must also understand that the Cults minds are just as programed as the poor Alters. Their system will surely fail them, it was built in. If any part of thier "system" was built on a lie or a false myth (Satan anyone?), it will fall at the right exact moment. Remember, these indivuals are still from GOD, and they will definitly have to know what that means eventually.......(I hope that makes sence.)


Makes sense to me. Though I am reticent to start down religion road conversationally as some may also understand. Sometimes I think it is better found in some cave in the himalayas. Smile.

[metfreighter]

Odd and my apologies. Did not quote correctly. Spaceprophet said---> [Albeit the most notably discussed guise of MKUltra is the CIA's LSD work, the agenda covered various other extraordinary investigations applicable to the science of mind control. CIA researchers probed the possibilities of many diverse parapsychological phenomena, in addition to hypnosis, telepathy, precognition, photokinesis and "remote viewing." Major Ed Dames, a frequent guest on C2C, is a former Army participant in the governments exploration of remote viewing.

I responded---> Dames. Listening to him has rubbed me the wrong way more months and months though the first couple of times I heard him was fascinated.

Now the work of Stephan Scwartz, D.Morehouse, and that camp have caught my eye. It's as if Mr.Dames in some wierd way *wants* the apocalyptic side of things. No balance at all. There's more to creation. Much more. [/QUOTE]

[metfreighter]

We run across much apolcalytic thought in these realms. But I like to wonder and think that, after centuries of planning, Lucifer, Satan, and Company will get right to the brink of completion but (and this is the cool part) it will QUIETLY just fail. Friggin' *nothing* will happen (beyond what has happened already!).

See my point? It will look nothing like popularly accepted apocalytic drama. What has been put in place already will maintain a certain fear factor but it will all just blow over like a sick cosmic thunderstorm and the begining of some more peaceful age might slowly come to be. But that not in the anticipated way either though I can understand very much why so many would like to see that part of it.

But, maybe just the makings of pretty cool fiction. Smile.

williamstade

[Kenny_D_Rogers]

We run across much apolcalytic thought in these realms. But I like to wonder and think that, after centuries of planning, Lucifer, Satan, and Company will get right to the brink of completion but (and this is the cool part) it will QUIETLY just fail. Friggin' *nothing* will happen (beyond what has happened already!).

See my point? It will look nothing like popularly accepted apocalytic drama. What has been put in place already will maintain a certain fear factor but it will all just blow over like a sick cosmic thunderstorm and the begining of some more peaceful age might slowly come to be. But that not in the anticipated way either though I can understand very much why so many would like to see that part of it.

But, maybe just the makings of pretty cool fiction. Smile.

williamstade

That what I have been thinking. These "Retarted Children" (being HEAVILY into the occult and esocentric teachings, I have more than every right to call these souls such) can't really get that far. I think they must have forgot the the universe is a beautiful place and isn't as sick and twisted as there young fantisys may allow.

Some people will get into Christianity and will never leave just because they think they found comfort. I think the same thing applys here.

Honestly, how is a adapt supost to learn anything when their subjects are already pre-modifed to fit with the patteren you created. Its kind of like cronic masturbation....

Best to oberve humanity in its natural enviorment. That freedome of the will to choose without direct influence is a lesson that they should HAVE learned. It seems to me all they know is how the stronger take advantage of the weak..(with enought imagination one could almost picture they types of souls who would enjoy that for thier "pleasure")

Wouldn't it be perfect if they got stuck in a situation where they are in a cronic circle of Preditor/Prey low level Earth life? If they couldn't figure out the truth with all the tools they have and know about I don't think anyone can really help them.

Or one can hope!

[spaceprophet]

Leary/Grof/and that guy known for his work with dolphins all seem to be floating around very similar points of view.

The dophin guy is Dr John C. Lilly. A fascinating individual. The man whose life was part responsible for the characters in the movie Altered States, may have been seen by some as an intrepid drug explorer, but in reality, he was a pioneer environmentalist who's greatest life achievement was to help awaken modern man to the potential for communication between man and dolphin.

Life stories don't come more 'way out' than Dr. Lilly.

In terms of alternative thinkers of the 20th Century, he made Tim Leary look like a quirky party man with a bag of LSD performing party tricks, and Robert Anton-Wilson a fast paced occult meddler.

Unlike Terrence McKenna and even Leary, partly because he was qualified physician, Lilly was considered far more scientific than any of the other 'psychedelic' explorers who mapped innerspace.

In the provence of the mind there are no limits. - Dr. John C. Lilly

[Devastated]

Buffoon.

[Baggins]

I participated in related experiments at SRI (Stanford Research Institute) in early 60s. No LSD (from them, anyway). I earned an hour.

Devastated, - Your comment on the last page of this thread about taking part in these studies at Stanford back in the 60s gives me the willies. The Psych Ops at Stanford Research Institute were just one of the many bad guys in the development of these cult programming technologies. The list is actually astonishing; from Harvard to Cornell to John Hopkins ... right down to the entire American Psychological Association on a whole, and to make matters worse – the same evil doers who sat at the top as board members in psychology back when this technology was in development now sit at the top levels of the boards of some of the cult abuse awareness networks that have been established to provide deprogramming for victims of SRA. Yet, there they sit ... seemingly, to make sure no one ever escapes the conditioning. It makes me sick

I shudder to think of the proven applications much of this “programming” has been used for - from assassinations and mass suicides, such as Jonestown and the simultaneous assassination of Congressman Ryan; to the child sex/slave industry; to pornography; to cult abuse; espionage, etc.

Yikes! Is that why you are “Devastated”?:eek: