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My brain is still in melt-down mode after last week's episode. Sorry for no post-show post last week...
Hey, Chickadee... wish you'd post on our LOST thread... YOU are the reason I came back to post on this thread... but understand if you can't. Hope you are at least reading, though?
Looking forward to tonight's episode!
Hey, Chickadee... wish you'd post on our LOST thread... YOU are the reason I came back to post on this thread... but understand if you can't. Hope you are at least reading, though?
Looking forward to tonight's episode!
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Episode Schedule UPDATE
WARNING! If you consider episode titles to be spoiler material, then skip this post!
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Season 5 Schedule
Episodes Aired to Date
Episode 1: "Because You Left"
Centric: Multi
Air Date: January 21st, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 2: "The Lie"
Centric: Hurley
Air Date: January 21st, 10:00 pm EST
Episode 3: "Jughead"
Centric: Desmond
Air Date: January 28th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 4: "The Little Prince"
Centric: Kate
Air Date: February 4th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 5: "This Place is Death"
Centric: Sun & Jin
Air Date: February 11th, 9:00 pm EST
Upcoming Episodes
Episode 6: "316"
Centric: Jack
Air Date: February 18th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 7: "The Life & Death of Jeremy Bentham"
Centric: Locke
Air Date: February 25th, 9:00 pm EST
1 WEEK BREAK: NO LOST on March 4th!!!
Episode 8: "LeFleur"
Centric: Sawyer
Air Date: March 11th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 9: "Namaste"
Centric: Unknown
Air Date: March 18th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 10: "He's Our You"
Centric: Sayid
Air Date: March 25th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 11: "What Happened, Happened"
Centric : Ben
Air Date: April 1st, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 12: "Dead is Dead"
Centric: Unknown
Air Date: April 8th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 13: "Some Like it Hoth"
Centric: Daniel ?
Air Date: April 15th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 14: "The Variable"
Centric: Desmond ?
Air Date: April 22nd, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 15: Unknown
Centric: Unknown
Air Date: April 29th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 16: Unknown
Centric: Unknown
Air Date: May 6th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 17: Unknown
Centric: Unknown
Air Date: May 6th, 10:00 pm EST OR May 13th, 9:00 pm EST
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Season 5 Schedule
Episodes Aired to Date
Episode 1: "Because You Left"
Centric: Multi
Air Date: January 21st, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 2: "The Lie"
Centric: Hurley
Air Date: January 21st, 10:00 pm EST
Episode 3: "Jughead"
Centric: Desmond
Air Date: January 28th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 4: "The Little Prince"
Centric: Kate
Air Date: February 4th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 5: "This Place is Death"
Centric: Sun & Jin
Air Date: February 11th, 9:00 pm EST
Upcoming Episodes
Episode 6: "316"
Centric: Jack
Air Date: February 18th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 7: "The Life & Death of Jeremy Bentham"
Centric: Locke
Air Date: February 25th, 9:00 pm EST
1 WEEK BREAK: NO LOST on March 4th!!!
Episode 8: "LeFleur"
Centric: Sawyer
Air Date: March 11th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 9: "Namaste"
Centric: Unknown
Air Date: March 18th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 10: "He's Our You"
Centric: Sayid
Air Date: March 25th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 11: "What Happened, Happened"
Centric : Ben
Air Date: April 1st, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 12: "Dead is Dead"
Centric: Unknown
Air Date: April 8th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 13: "Some Like it Hoth"
Centric: Daniel ?
Air Date: April 15th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 14: "The Variable"
Centric: Desmond ?
Air Date: April 22nd, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 15: Unknown
Centric: Unknown
Air Date: April 29th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 16: Unknown
Centric: Unknown
Air Date: May 6th, 9:00 pm EST
Episode 17: Unknown
Centric: Unknown
Air Date: May 6th, 10:00 pm EST OR May 13th, 9:00 pm EST
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In lieu of an after-show post last week, I offer up this from BuddyTV:
'Lost' Aftergasm: An Embarrassment of Riches
Thursday, February 12, 2009
You sit on your couch, it's minutes after Lost has ended, and all you can really do is glance at your viewing partners, make some guttural noises of disbelief, and try to wrap your brain around what you just witnessed. There are more than enough experts out here in the internet wilderness, delving deep into the mysteries of Lost, pondering the meaning of the minutiae, examining the Easter Eggs, and that's why I try, as best I can, to discuss the experience of viewing Lost as opposed to the nitty-gritty of the details. It gets really easy to repeat yourself, however. How many different ways can you say, “Lost is awesome?” This season, especially, has been an embarrassment of riches, every episode dense, entertaining and revelatory. Last night was no different.
One could argue that we learned more about the island, the essence of its existence and the show itself during Charlotte's monologue as she laid dying than we did during the entire first two seasons of Lost. She was on the island, a member of a Dharma family, has been searching for the island her entire life, and remembered that Daniel Faraday had spoken to her when she was a child. So, to someone who had never seen Lost before, this speech would tell them that a) There was a group of people on the island at one point called The Dharma Initiative, b) the island is really hard to find once you're off it, and c) the island somehow makes time travel possible. All this information came about in roughly one minute of screen time. Worth noting.
The story of Lost and the island is now being told at an ever-escalating clip, which makes me believe that the Lost writers have the remaining two seasons meticulously planned, and know exactly how, why and when they will disseminate all the necessary information to the audience. It also means, given how quickly this information is coming, that there's a ton more story that has to be told. In addition, we can assume that most of the mysteries of the island will be explained away eventually. Doesn't it feel like the writers are embarking down a particularly explanatory route?
Speaking of the writers, I have to point out two excellent storytelling devices used during "This Place is Death." They're not huge things, but genius in their simplicity. The first was Ol' Smokey ripping that poor Frenchman's arm off. It seemed unnecessary when it happened, a fact that I even remarked upon out loud while watching. Then, of course, Jin flashed and the slightly decomposed arm immediately let us in on when the island had moved to. Then, later, I remembered the arm from from long ago. Took me awhile, but the realization eventually hit. [Note: The author was admittedly wrong about the arm. *See below.] The second thing, and the more impressive, was the use of Jin's wedding band. Did John Locke know what Ben would do with the ring if he brought it back? I'm guessing he probably did, and that Locke had no intention of honoring his promise to Jin. To Locke, the island is far more important than a favor asked by Jin. It worked out perfectly, and it made logical sense for all three men – Jin, Locke and Ben.
Damn, there was so much stuff in the episode. Let's go issue by issue.
The Smoke Monster and the Frenchmen
Well, now we know why Danielle is kind of insane. Having to kill the man she loved because he was infected by a smoke monster is enough to send anyone off the rails. Besides that little gruesome dalliance, did we actually learn some key things about Smokey? Is it merely a security system guarding the temple? It couldn't be as practical and simple as that, could it? It doesn't explain all of Smokey's actions, and it doesn't explain why Ben is able to summon it when he so chooses. Also, Smokey has been all over the island. Could there be multiple Smokeys that are triggered for different reasons?
Charlotte and Daniel Faraday
We've always suspected that Charlotte had been to the island before. Her story makes perfect sense. The internet is abuzz with the possibility that Charlotte is in fact Annie, the little friend of young Ben Linus, but the ages just don't work out. It could make sense, I suppose, if, when Charlotte left the island as a girl, she traveled forward ten to fifteen years in time. But, Dharma had non-Orchid Station ways of getting on and off the island. Then again, with what we heard about Charlotte's mom (telling Charlotte that the island wasn't real), it's possible that she and Charlotte had to escape the island. Then there's Charlotte remembering that a scary man told her that if she came back to the island, she would die.
Let me put forth a theory: After John pushed back the donkey wheel, maybe Daniel, Sawyer, Miles, Juliet, and Jin are semi-permanently sent back in time to the Dharma Initiative's reign on the island. This would explain the first scene of the season, with Daniel interacting with Marvin Candle. It is also possible that, during this time, Daniel seeks out little Charlotte and tries to warn her that coming back to the island later in life will lead to her death. However, wouldn't Daniel realize that telling her this would be completely futile, seeing as he already knows that his warning will go unheeded by Charlotte? Love, though – it does funny things to people.
The Oceanic 6
We saw very little of our Oceanic 6 tonight, and even though Eloise Hawking seemed OK moving forward with the crew Ben brought to her, she was adamant in her first meeting with Ben about having everyone on hand, and there's no way that this whole “everybody has to go back to the island idea” will simply be dropped. The writers have given themselves some really difficult obstacles to overcome now. Jack will have to be the one to convince Kate to go back. Hurley and Sayid will be tougher nuts to crack, especially given that Hurley is in jail. It will have to go like this: Ben will get Hurley out of jail with the help of Magic Attorney Norton, and if he can convince Hurley, Hurley can call in a favor from Sayid. Can all of this happen in one episode? Probably not – I'm guessing it's two episodes at least until they head back to the island. Then, there's the Desmond question. What will he get out of Hawking? Will he somehow be convinced to go back to the island? I can't imagine he would leave Penny and little Charlie, but I also wouldn't put it past Ben into bamboozling him. Also, we have to remember that Ben is a smart guy who knows things, and perhaps suspects that Penny Widmore is close at hand. Will he try and go after Penny, presuming she came to LA with Desmond, and make good on the vow he made to Charles Widmore? It wouldn't appear that Ben would have the time to go on a little side quest like that, but he's multi-tasked before. Maybe he somehow holds the safety of Penny hostage, in order to get Desmond on board. But, does he even need Desmond to go back?
Locke and Christian Shephard
I'll be honest – I have no goddamn idea what the deal is with Christian Shephard. He's not just a figment of Locke's imagination, or Christian's animated corpse taken over by something else. He told John to say hello to his son. It's actually Christian in some form, right?
I've already written more than an Aftergasm should rightfully hold, so I won't try to figure it all out right now, but I'd love to hear some of your theories. Please expound below.
-Oscar Dahl, BuddyTV Senior Writer
LINK to BuddyTV article
*From Comments at above LINK:
'Lost' Aftergasm: An Embarrassment of Riches
Thursday, February 12, 2009
You sit on your couch, it's minutes after Lost has ended, and all you can really do is glance at your viewing partners, make some guttural noises of disbelief, and try to wrap your brain around what you just witnessed. There are more than enough experts out here in the internet wilderness, delving deep into the mysteries of Lost, pondering the meaning of the minutiae, examining the Easter Eggs, and that's why I try, as best I can, to discuss the experience of viewing Lost as opposed to the nitty-gritty of the details. It gets really easy to repeat yourself, however. How many different ways can you say, “Lost is awesome?” This season, especially, has been an embarrassment of riches, every episode dense, entertaining and revelatory. Last night was no different.
One could argue that we learned more about the island, the essence of its existence and the show itself during Charlotte's monologue as she laid dying than we did during the entire first two seasons of Lost. She was on the island, a member of a Dharma family, has been searching for the island her entire life, and remembered that Daniel Faraday had spoken to her when she was a child. So, to someone who had never seen Lost before, this speech would tell them that a) There was a group of people on the island at one point called The Dharma Initiative, b) the island is really hard to find once you're off it, and c) the island somehow makes time travel possible. All this information came about in roughly one minute of screen time. Worth noting.
The story of Lost and the island is now being told at an ever-escalating clip, which makes me believe that the Lost writers have the remaining two seasons meticulously planned, and know exactly how, why and when they will disseminate all the necessary information to the audience. It also means, given how quickly this information is coming, that there's a ton more story that has to be told. In addition, we can assume that most of the mysteries of the island will be explained away eventually. Doesn't it feel like the writers are embarking down a particularly explanatory route?
Speaking of the writers, I have to point out two excellent storytelling devices used during "This Place is Death." They're not huge things, but genius in their simplicity. The first was Ol' Smokey ripping that poor Frenchman's arm off. It seemed unnecessary when it happened, a fact that I even remarked upon out loud while watching. Then, of course, Jin flashed and the slightly decomposed arm immediately let us in on when the island had moved to. Then, later, I remembered the arm from from long ago. Took me awhile, but the realization eventually hit. [Note: The author was admittedly wrong about the arm. *See below.] The second thing, and the more impressive, was the use of Jin's wedding band. Did John Locke know what Ben would do with the ring if he brought it back? I'm guessing he probably did, and that Locke had no intention of honoring his promise to Jin. To Locke, the island is far more important than a favor asked by Jin. It worked out perfectly, and it made logical sense for all three men – Jin, Locke and Ben.
Damn, there was so much stuff in the episode. Let's go issue by issue.
The Smoke Monster and the Frenchmen
Well, now we know why Danielle is kind of insane. Having to kill the man she loved because he was infected by a smoke monster is enough to send anyone off the rails. Besides that little gruesome dalliance, did we actually learn some key things about Smokey? Is it merely a security system guarding the temple? It couldn't be as practical and simple as that, could it? It doesn't explain all of Smokey's actions, and it doesn't explain why Ben is able to summon it when he so chooses. Also, Smokey has been all over the island. Could there be multiple Smokeys that are triggered for different reasons?
Charlotte and Daniel Faraday
We've always suspected that Charlotte had been to the island before. Her story makes perfect sense. The internet is abuzz with the possibility that Charlotte is in fact Annie, the little friend of young Ben Linus, but the ages just don't work out. It could make sense, I suppose, if, when Charlotte left the island as a girl, she traveled forward ten to fifteen years in time. But, Dharma had non-Orchid Station ways of getting on and off the island. Then again, with what we heard about Charlotte's mom (telling Charlotte that the island wasn't real), it's possible that she and Charlotte had to escape the island. Then there's Charlotte remembering that a scary man told her that if she came back to the island, she would die.
Let me put forth a theory: After John pushed back the donkey wheel, maybe Daniel, Sawyer, Miles, Juliet, and Jin are semi-permanently sent back in time to the Dharma Initiative's reign on the island. This would explain the first scene of the season, with Daniel interacting with Marvin Candle. It is also possible that, during this time, Daniel seeks out little Charlotte and tries to warn her that coming back to the island later in life will lead to her death. However, wouldn't Daniel realize that telling her this would be completely futile, seeing as he already knows that his warning will go unheeded by Charlotte? Love, though – it does funny things to people.
The Oceanic 6
We saw very little of our Oceanic 6 tonight, and even though Eloise Hawking seemed OK moving forward with the crew Ben brought to her, she was adamant in her first meeting with Ben about having everyone on hand, and there's no way that this whole “everybody has to go back to the island idea” will simply be dropped. The writers have given themselves some really difficult obstacles to overcome now. Jack will have to be the one to convince Kate to go back. Hurley and Sayid will be tougher nuts to crack, especially given that Hurley is in jail. It will have to go like this: Ben will get Hurley out of jail with the help of Magic Attorney Norton, and if he can convince Hurley, Hurley can call in a favor from Sayid. Can all of this happen in one episode? Probably not – I'm guessing it's two episodes at least until they head back to the island. Then, there's the Desmond question. What will he get out of Hawking? Will he somehow be convinced to go back to the island? I can't imagine he would leave Penny and little Charlie, but I also wouldn't put it past Ben into bamboozling him. Also, we have to remember that Ben is a smart guy who knows things, and perhaps suspects that Penny Widmore is close at hand. Will he try and go after Penny, presuming she came to LA with Desmond, and make good on the vow he made to Charles Widmore? It wouldn't appear that Ben would have the time to go on a little side quest like that, but he's multi-tasked before. Maybe he somehow holds the safety of Penny hostage, in order to get Desmond on board. But, does he even need Desmond to go back?
Locke and Christian Shephard
I'll be honest – I have no goddamn idea what the deal is with Christian Shephard. He's not just a figment of Locke's imagination, or Christian's animated corpse taken over by something else. He told John to say hello to his son. It's actually Christian in some form, right?
I've already written more than an Aftergasm should rightfully hold, so I won't try to figure it all out right now, but I'd love to hear some of your theories. Please expound below.
-Oscar Dahl, BuddyTV Senior Writer
LINK to BuddyTV article
*From Comments at above LINK:
Joemamma said:
There was two arms...The one Vincent brought out of the jungle wiht the van keys was Roger, Ben's dads arm, and the arm from last night is the arm that Danielle spoke of in season one I think when she told Sayid that her team went into Dark Territory where Montrand lost his arm, and then shortly after they they started getting sick.
2/12/2009 9:25:49 AM
oscardahl said:
Joemamma, thanks. All I remembered was the Vincent arm and assumed it was the same one from last night. It looks like I was wrong.
2/12/2009 10:03:12 AM
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"You sit on your couch, it's minutes after Lost has ended, and all you can really do is glance at your viewing partners, make some guttural noises of disbelief, and try to wrap your brain around what you just witnessed."
I am sitting on the end of my bed, but the reaction is the same...the cats believe me insane. Lost triggers momentary insanity.
I am sitting on the end of my bed, but the reaction is the same...the cats believe me insane. Lost triggers momentary insanity.
Dance to heal the earth. Not just when you're dancing, but always. Live the dance, whenever you move, in all you do, dance to heal the earth.
Schedule UPDATE
As per an ABC Press Release (NOTE: Some SPOILER info at this link!) dated February 13, 2009, LOST will NOT be taking a break on March 4th as noted in the schedule posted above. The episode titled "LaFleur" will air on that date.
However, there is rampant speculation that ABC will schedule at least one break for Lost sometime before May because, if they don't, the season finale would occur BEFORE the May sweeps, and it stands to reason that ABC would want to have at least one episode of Lost airing during sweeps month.
There's no further 'official' info at this time, but if I hear anything more, I'll post it here.
As per an ABC Press Release (NOTE: Some SPOILER info at this link!) dated February 13, 2009, LOST will NOT be taking a break on March 4th as noted in the schedule posted above. The episode titled "LaFleur" will air on that date.
However, there is rampant speculation that ABC will schedule at least one break for Lost sometime before May because, if they don't, the season finale would occur BEFORE the May sweeps, and it stands to reason that ABC would want to have at least one episode of Lost airing during sweeps month.
There's no further 'official' info at this time, but if I hear anything more, I'll post it here.
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Hi Starry Night! Evidently, there will be a break on March 11th. Searching the TV listings turns up that on March 11th there will only be an airing of the "enhanced" version of the previous week's episode (the upcoming "LaFleur" which airs March 4th) in the regular time slot, and no NEW episode that night. Just FYI...
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Starry Night wrote: Another wild episode! So many things...
The freakiest - What was with the giant statue on the island when they went way back in time briefly to an unknown year?
Pretty awesome, huh? They were waaaay back there in time in that flash. The statue is definitely Egyptian in style. If you'd like to see it in more detail, there's a great HD screen cap here:
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showp ... count=2158
Just click on the first button at the top labeled "Show" in that post to see it. (Warning: it's pretty big.)
Now, if we could just figure out why the foot that is all that's left of it now has only four toes! heh
There's a lot of speculation as to who or what the statue represents. It's holding an ankh in its right hand, and it looks like it's holding one in it's left hand, too (is there a connection to the ankh necklace Amy took from Paul's dead body?). A lot of people think the statue is of Anubis (Egyptian jackal-headed god of the underworld--fits with the references to Cerberus, three-headed canine guardian of the underworld in Greek myth, too). It does have an ankh (or two) which is typical of Anubis representations, and it does have some sort of pointy animal ears, although they aren't as large as the jackal ears Anubis is usually depicted with. I can't figure out where the headdress comes in if it's Anubis, though. I can't find any depictions of Anubis with a headdress like that.
I wonder if we'll ever get to see the full statue from the front! That would be the defining moment for the statue.
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