It's time: Charlie Sheen

Live365 · Post by **Live365** » 03-04-2011 08:16 PM

Do we need to address this? As it seems to be the latest national crisis? You tell me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_sheen

Since Charlie Sheen has been off my radar since Ferris Bueller (I'll kill myself if I spelled that wrong), I kinda don't care. Do you? Should we?

Bobbi Snow · Post by **Bobbi Snow** » 03-04-2011 08:25 PM

No, I don't care what he does. I'm sick & tired of hearing him whine. If he had been SAVING money during the past 8 years, instead of squandering it, then he'd be better able to support his 5 children, and his nose would be in better shape. He looks now like an alcoholic, drug-abusing waste of talent; I'm only sad for his children.

SETIsLady · Post by **SETIsLady** » 03-04-2011 10:56 PM

Jimmy Fallon did a great bit last night imitating him. I think everything he is doing right now is a PR move.

http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com ... g-for-men/

Charlie Sheen: Things I've Said

http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com ... 11/1310413

Kaztronic · Post by **Kaztronic** » 03-04-2011 11:53 PM

I think we should care Live, because we are witnessing the depressing descent of a person in to drug and alchohol addiction - a living hell played out before our eyes on television. The signs are all there, and instantly recognizable. This is very real, and potentially dangerous for those who come in to contact with Charlie Sheen (through direct, and even unintentional contact - for example, is he still operating a motor vehicle?).

To see any person go through this is terribly wrenching, and their exists the very real possibility that this tale will end in tragedy. The impact this must be having on his children is truly tragic.

The reason that I think we should care is because we have been down this road before. Anna Nicole Smith, an enabled star of sorts who fell in to addiction and had the means to surround herself with enabling hangers-on, who would continue to fuel her habits serves as a prime example. In the end, we watched as her son died of a drug overdose, and witnessed first hand her descent in to hell, and ultimately death. At the height of her fame, she was so out of control that a reality show was built around her. It would not surprise me in the least to see this happen with Charlie Sheen (I am sure someone is contemplating the ratings of such a show).

The media - as it has before - is feeding the bizarre human interest that finds us slowing down to check out an accident on the side of the road. The difference here is that this is an accident that is still unfolding, and it is my feeling that the media is only making this worse.

CBS shut Charlie Sheen down, it was the right thing to do. In an ideal world, the rest of the media would do the same so that he might eventually be driven to seek out the help he so obviously needs.

SETIsLady · Post by **SETIsLady** » 03-05-2011 12:34 AM

Nahhhhhhh I disagree Kaz, a little inside info tells me that its a PR stunt. And everything CBS did to him was wrong. He is showing who really has the power. And lets be honest no one cared about his kids until he started making noise. Charlie is just fine I have that information on a personal note

cherry · Post by **cherry** » 03-05-2011 09:15 AM

Have you seen U Tube's video with Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen?

Post by **Linnea** » 03-05-2011 12:39 PM

I agree, Linda - and glad to hear you hve some inside info. I really like Charlie Sheen and have a feeling much of what is said about him is exaggerated.

Watched the interview with Piers Morgan, and Sheen seemed fine. He is toning the rhetoric down. And yah, he seems sprung. His chosen lifestyle would lead him there. I wish him and his children (and wives, exes and girlfriends) health and happiness. When you earn nearly 2 million $ a week - life can get very strange.

megman · Post by **megman** » 03-05-2011 10:56 PM

Linnea wrote: I agree, Linda - and glad to hear you hve some inside info. I really like Charlie Sheen and have a feeling much of what is said about him is exaggerated.

Seems Shatner agrees with you.

Capt. Kirk says Sheen 'not crazy'

LOS ANGELES - Charlie Sheen's bizarre behavior is a purposeful attempt to goof on the TV hosts who are interviewing him, said William Shatner, a CBS colleague who stars in "$#+! My Dad Says."

Speaking on conservative film critic Michael Medved's syndicated radio program Thursday, Shatner said the "Two and a Half Men" star has not been behaving abnormally and, in fact, has been treated unfairly during some interviews.

The rest

Kaztronic · Post by **Kaztronic** » 03-06-2011 04:55 AM

No, seriously, something is VERY wrong with Charlie Sheen. If this were a PR stunt, then it is one that is reprehensible in the extreme. He is a dangerous man who is a drug addict, and an alchoholic (quite obviously - as his repeated hospitalization shows).

Physically assaulting women as a part of a PR stunt is outrageous, dragging your children through the court system in a custody battle because of a "fake" substance abuse problem is reprehensible (not to mention getting the police to play along by removing the children from his home this past week). Promoting prostitution - and portraying women as nothing more than sex objects, exposing your children to porn stars is simply unacceptable. Being hospitalized for fake overdoses twice within the last year as part of a PR stunt is criminal (IMO) as it pulls doctors away from other patients in an ER who truly need the help. I am also admittedly surprised that he got his father, Martin Sheen to play along by publicly claiming his son is in fact a drug addict.

This cannot be sugar-coated, and their is no acceptable excuse for his behavior.

A reminder of who Charlie Sheen really is:

~snip~

Here's a rundown of Sheen's violent relationships:

1990
After a year of engagement, Sheen "accidentally" shot actress Kelly Preston with a .22 inside their Malibu home. She sustained injuries to her wrist and ankle and immediately ended the relationship after the incident.

1994
Just two months after marrying model Donna Peele, Sheen was sued by an unnamed UCLA student who alleged he had struck her in the head when she refused to have sex. The case was settled out of court. Sheen divorced Peele later that year, blaming the demise of their relationship on her, saying, "You buy a bad car, it breaks down."

1996
Sheen was arrested for beating girlfriend Brittany Ashland, an adult film star. Ashland claimed he knocked her out and threatened to kill her. She received seven stitches in her lip. At the time of his arrest, one of his friends spoke to the media saying the scuffle was Ashland's fault. In June 1997, Sheen pleaded no contest to battery charges and got two years' probation and a $2800 fine.

2006
After a relatively long streak of sobriety following a 1998 rehab stint, Sheen's then-wife Denise Richards filed for divorce making allegations in court documents about his transgressions (including child porn, obsessive gambling, drug use, and prostitutes), and his abusive behavior (throwing chairs at her and threatening numerous times to kill her). Richards obtained a restraining order and Sheen went on the attack saying, "This is a most obvious immature and transparent smear campaign designed to hurt, embarrass and ultimately extort me."

2009
Sheen was arrested on Christmas Day on charges of felony second-degree assault, felony menacing and a misdemeanor charge of criminal mischief after allegedly strangling, holding a knife to the throat of, and threatening to kill then-wife Brooke Mueller. In August 2010 he pleaded guilty to third-degree domestic violence in the case, but instead of jail, he returned to work and an out-patient rehab program in Malibu that focused on "behavior modification."

2010
Sheen was taken to a hospital in NYC after trashing his Plaza Hotel room in a reported fit of rage. Adult film star Capri Anderson—Sheen's paid companion—claimed that the actor put his hands around her neck and threatened to kill her. She locked herself in the bathroom to hide from him. Sheen referred to her allegations as a result of her own "emotional stupidity."

Jezebel.com

~snip~

In their statements, both parties admitted yelling and slapping each other on the arms. But Sheen, who said that he had been having marital problems lately and that his wife "abuses alcohol," denied pulling a folding knife on her, though he did produce one for the police from his bag. It was, oddly, open and locked. Mueller, meanwhile, claimed he told her, "You better be in fear. If you tell anybody, I'll kill you. I have ex-police I can hire who know how to get the job done, and they won't leave any trace." Police also noted the appearance of red marks on her neck, which she said occurred while Sheen was holding her down with the knife to her throat.

Salon.com

~snip~

In addition to wreaking all manner of havoc on himself with drugs and alcohol that has put him in the hospital and the show on hiatus, Mr. Sheen has done a lot of damage to the people around him, women in particular.

In 2006, his wife at the time, Denise Richards, filed a restraining order, charging that Mr. Sheen had pushed her down, thrown chairs at her and threatened to kill her in person and on the phone. The couple eventually divorced.

Mr. Sheen then had a series of very public relationships with sex film stars, which is certainly his prerogative — talent is as talent does — but he also continued to exhibit a pattern of violence toward women.

Mr. Sheen was charged with a felony for an incident on Christmas Day in 2009 in which he threatened to kill his wife, Brooke Mueller, while holding a knife to her throat. According to the police report, Mr. Sheen “started to strangle Mueller then he pulled out a knife he always carries on his person and held the knife to Mueller’s neck and threatened, ‘You better be in fear. If you tell anybody I’ll kill you.’ ”

Last fall, Mr. Sheen went on a rampage in the Plaza Hotel in New York. A hired escort who had locked herself in the bathroom claimed he had put his hands around her neck and threatened her while his former wife Ms. Richards and his children slept down the hall.

NY Times

There is a picture on the jezebel.com website of one of his victims. It is worth looking at (I dare not repost it here on this site, as it is too violent). This man cannot be defended, his history cannot be ignored.

Charlie Sheen is a violent, drug addicted alchoholic who has a dark history of beating up women - our focus is all wrong. The real question is how has he gotten away with it for so long?

If this is "winning", I would hate to see what losing looks like.

SETIsLady · Post by **SETIsLady** » 03-06-2011 10:44 AM

Charlie has not lied about his issues with drugs and alcohol. And he does have those problems and has had those in the past. Drugs and alcohol make people do things that they normally wouldn’t do. I am defender of abusers, for personal reasons Charlie is clean right now and that is the point that I was making. There are two sides to every story and everyone has a past, so I am not going to go back through all the incidents and rehash them.

I am going to address the incident with Capri Anderson, since her story doesn’t jive with what she told the police, and I think she is a liar an opportunist.

Here is a copy of a lawsuit filed by Charlie in response to the claims Capri Anderson made. Here are the important parts.

fabricated a sensational tale about being assaulted battered and held against her will and used that fictional story as a basis for an extortion plot against Sheen, threatening that if he did not pay her at least one million dollars she would go to (i) the Aspen District Attorney with her false allegations and (ii) seek to embarrass him and attempt to damage his career by going to the media with her false tale."
When Sheen refused to succumb to Walsh’s extortionate and illegal demands, Walsh’s representatives contacted the Aspen District Attorney (who declined to do anything) and Walsh and her attorney solicited the highest bid they could get from network media, ultimately giving an exclusive interview to Good Morning America.

Prior to going public with her fabricated tale, Walsh admitted to several third parties that she was not assaulted, battered or held against her will by Sheen. Similarly Walsh told the New York City Police that she was not injured and Sheen acted like a “total gentleman” Indeed immediately after that Walsh posted her porn website that she was “fine” and if you wanted to see more of her, for a price you could one could enter her website”

There are other threats of extortion in this lawsuit.

Entire lawsuit is here: http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tm ... harlie.pdf

More importantly if she was assaulted as violently as she said he would have been arrested on the spot.

Charlie Sheen Will Not Be Charged With Crime Against Capri Anderson

Two and a Half Men actor Charlie Sheen has been cleared by the New York Police Department in connection with the alleged assault of porn star Capri Anderson at a NY hotel on October 25.
The NYPD, who have now concluded their investigation, tells X17online that "there will be no arrests made in the case." ”

http://x17online.com/celebrities/charli ... _crime.php
Yes your right that the children are in the middle of this, all children that go through a divorce are in the middle. Both parents are just as responsible for that not just one.

I stand by my statement that what you are witnessing now is a PR stunt. People are obviously going to say what they want so he giving them something to talk about.

Kaztronic · Post by **Kaztronic** » 03-07-2011 10:39 PM

Yesterday, Charlie Sheen devoted portions of his new web program to discussing how people should have their "throats cut", and those of their children as well for not recognizing him as a "god" delivering sermons, words they "cannot process".

Having heard it suggested here and elsewhere that the matter involving Charlie Sheen is no more than a PR stunt, despite his extremely troubling history of violence against women and substance abuse - I decided to check in on his web show tonight to take a look for myself at his condition (sadly, much like the car accidents we all slow down to peer at). All I can say is:

Oh my god......

This is most certainly not a sober man (and I know a thing or two about both drug addiction and alchoholism), and this is also no PR stunt. This is the sad descent of a lost soul in to the depths of drugs and alchoholism. A tragedy waiting to happen. Beyond the obvious deterioration of his mental state, his physical condition also appears to be worsening. I fear someone, perhaps Charlie, perhaps one of his children, perhaps another woman who comes in to his circle will be physically hurt as he further loses control.

"Sheens Korner" 3/7/2011

SETIsLady · Post by **SETIsLady** » 03-07-2011 11:12 PM

Ok Kaz whatever you say

I stand by everything I said.

Kaztronic · Post by **Kaztronic** » 03-07-2011 11:17 PM

Like you, I am entitled to my opinion.

I haven't rolled my eyes at your opinion, nor dismissed it as "whatever you say" Setislady. But I do disagree with you on this...... situation - and have not limited my concerns about other aspects of the Charlie Sheen situation (which is par for the course on a discussion forum). For all involved, I happen to hope that you're right, but from his history, and from what I am reading and seeing, I don't view this the same way you do.

As is typical in Hollywood, too many of these "stars" are surrounded by enablers, which is why I am skeptical of anything that comes from inside their circle when people find themself in an unfortunate situation such as this. His Fathers words of two weeks ago though sound a different note, and they stand out to me. He says his son is doing well, but also compares his addictions to a "disease", much like a "form of cancer". He needs treatment was his message, and that rings true to me.

SETIsLady · Post by **SETIsLady** » 03-07-2011 11:27 PM

I stand by everything I said, I am very familiar with alcholics and drug addiction as well Kaz. Also extremely familiar spousal abuse since I was a victim of it for 8 yrs. And my statements here are based on information coming from a little bit closer than news articles. It is a PR stunt.

I was in the middle of editing my post with the eyeroll in it when my I lost my WIFI connection. My statements are not based on my opinion, they are based on a little bit more information than that. Your comments that I "suggested that it was a PR stunt" were condescending, IMO. In fact just like you were dismissing my opinion. Like I am clueless about what I am talking about. You have habit of stating your opinion as fact and like you are the only one that could possibly know anything about anything. Hence the eyeroll.

If that isn't how you intended it, I apologize.

I was going to give a little more information today, but I am not going to waste my time.

Kaztronic · Post by **Kaztronic** » 03-07-2011 11:48 PM

It was not how I intended it.

What I said, was that it "was suggested here, and elsewhere" that this was a PR stunt - and that based upon that, I decided to look a little bit closer at his current state on his new web program. That is not dismissal, quite the opposite actually. It means you are taking a closer look based upon someone else's opinion, and/or information (and as stated, that was not solely based upon your thoughts/info on this matter). In the end, he looked worse than I had expected - thus my disagreement (which I have attempted to explain above). The other issue for me is, if it is in fact a PR stunt, I think it is indefensible - for reasons explained above.

I don't expect you to post your source on such a matter, which is why I have not requested it (if you have inside information, it probably needs to stay confidential - I appreciate and understand that). However, as I am sure you can understand, as is the case with so many other situations discussed here, it is difficult to simply take the word of a completely unknown source that cannot be referenced (especially in a case like this where celebrities are infamous for surrounding themselves with insiders who are so often enablers that spin reality for them). It is not easy to just ride with that, and set aside an opinion that does not mesh with ones own interpretation of the situation.