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Post by SquidInk » 11-05-2009 12:32 PM

HB3 wrote: This was the sort of statement that would throw Ayn Rand into a frothing rage. Oh, you'd be excommunicated!


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Post by HB3 » 11-05-2009 12:35 PM

Well, it's certainly debatable. But it seems contrary to libertarian philosophy. Doesn't that sound like conservatism to you? Free markets, but with some government restraints to protect the essential qualities of the culture in which the markets operate?

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Post by SquidInk » 11-05-2009 12:39 PM

HB3 wrote: Well, it's certainly debatable. But it seems contrary to libertarian philosophy. Doesn't that sound like conservatism to you? Free markets, but with some government restraints to protect the essential qualities of the culture in which the markets operate?


Well the rhetoric differs from the reality. We can see since 1980 how the unfettered conservative/capitalist model has required more and more government intervention as it matures. It all came to a crescendo with trillions of dollars in direct injection style aid/theft.

The result is a movement toward a virtual melding of government/corporate interests... uh oh!
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Post by HB3 » 11-05-2009 12:45 PM

Yeah, of course! And you could say that's the problem with the libertarian creed. Their "faith" is in the unfettered market. I don't think that's conservatism.

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Post by SquidInk » 11-05-2009 12:47 PM

HB3 wrote: Yeah, of course! And you could say that's the problem with the libertarian creed. Their "faith" is in the unfettered market.


I agree, libertarian model would never work on a scale larger than a village.
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Post by HB3 » 11-05-2009 12:47 PM

What you're describing is more like "fascism" -- the corporate state.

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Post by HB3 » 11-05-2009 01:00 PM

Supposedly, a true libertarian would be anti-corporate welfare, just like every other kind of welfare. Truly, the "market" is the only god in their howling vacuum of a universe.

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Post by HB3 » 11-05-2009 02:57 PM

To be fair, Rand (Ayn) devoted the last part of her life to defining a "secular morality" without recourse to religion; and I guess one could argue that libertarianism simply doesn't speak to religion, leaving it up to individual choice.

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Post by racehorse » 11-27-2009 12:35 AM

In Kentucky, a Senate Candidate With a Pedigree for Agitation

By IAN URBINA

Published: November 25, 2009

See: ( showthread.php?s=&postid=622908#post622908 )

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Post by Psychicwolf » 11-27-2009 07:26 PM

HB3 wrote: What you're describing is more like "fascism" -- the corporate state.


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Post by racehorse » 12-22-2009 12:09 PM

It is a long way until the May primary. I am concerned but still predict Trey Grayson will be the next United States Senator from Kentucky!

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009

Paul leads big

If there was any doubt Rand Paul is a serious candidate for the Republican Senate nomination in Kentucky it can be cast away. Our first poll of the race finds him leading Trey Grayson 44-25.

Paul is, as the conventional wisdom suggests, drawing his strongest support from Republicans who are unhappy with their party. He has a 54-22 lead over Grayson with voters who are unhappy with the GOP in Congress and a 54-18 advantage with folks who think the party's grown too liberal.

His support is broader than that though- he has a 40-25 lead even with people who like the job Republicans in Congress are doing and a 38-28 advantage with ones who are comfortable with where their party is ideologically.

Despite Paul's early advantage this race could change a lot between now and the election, primarily because neither of the candidates are all that well known at this point. A plurality don't know enough about Paul to have formed an opinion of him and a majority have no feelings one way or the other yet toward Grayson.

Among those who do have perceptions formed about them 39% view Paul favorably to 13% unfavorable and 22% view Grayson favorably to 15% unfavorable.

Paul's current strong standing certainly speaks to the increasingly favorable prospects for candidates running against the Republican establishment across the country, especially on the heels of polling last week showing Marco Rubio closing in on or even taking the lead against Charlie Crist. It's going to be interesting to see if a lot more of these insurgent candidates crop up as we turn the calendar to 2010.

Full results here ( http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/ ... Y_1222.pdf )
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Post by racehorse » 12-23-2009 01:21 PM

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com ... tucky.html

WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 23, 2009

Republicans favored in Kentucky

Barack Obama's approval rating in Kentucky is only 35%. Support for his health care plan is just 28%. 56% of voters in the state think that Congressional Democrats are too liberal and only 26% have a favorable opinion of them.

Measured against that brutal political context it is perhaps no surprise that Trey Grayson and Rand Paul lead Jack Conway and Dan Mongiardo by margins ranging from 6 to 9 points in the race to replace Jim Bunning in the US Senate.

Grayson does slightly better than Paul in the general election match ups, leading Conway 40-33 and Mongiardo 44-35. Paul leads both by identical 42-36 margins. Democrats are rooting for Paul to win the Republican nomination because they think he'll be easier to pick off in the general election but at least for now there's not a large difference in the viability of the two Republicans.


PPP matched Grayson against Conway and Mongiardo back in April and the difference between how the numbers stacked up then and how they stack up now says a lot about how much the political context has changed nationally over the last half of 2009. Grayson's margin has improved by 10 points against Conway, who he trailed 37-33 in the spring, and by 5 points against Mongiardo, who he led 40-36 on the earlier poll.

The Republican candidates are benefiting from overwhelming support by independents, holding leads ranging from 25-34 points with that group in each of the possible match ups. As is usually the case in Kentucky where a lot of registered Democrats don't actually vote Democratic, particularly at the federal level, the GOP is also a lot more unified than the Democrats. Grayson and Paul win between 69-75% of the Republican vote while Mongiardo and Conway are polling at just 54-61% of the Democratic vote.

It would certainly be premature to write off this seat for the Democrats though. There are a lot of undecideds and it seems unlikely the national political climate could go anywhere but up for the party at this point- they may have hit rock bottom this month as the health care bill moves closer to passage.

Beyond that it's important to note that with the exception of Dan Mongiardo none of the candidates on either side has greater than 50% name recognition right now. 64% have no opinion about Grayson, 63% say the same of Conway, and the numbers are 51% for Rand Paul and 38% for Dan Mongiardo. The dynamics of the race could change a lot as the eventual nominees become better known and voters in the state react favorably to them or not.

For now though in a Republican state in what's shaping up to be a Republican year the Republicans are favored to hold this seat.

Full results here ( http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/ ... Y_1223.pdf _
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