Climategate: Science not faked, but not pretty

[SETIsLady]

LONDON — E-mails stolen from climate scientists show they stonewalled skeptics and discussed hiding data — but the messages don't support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by The Associated Press.

The 1,073 e-mails examined by the AP show that scientists harbored private doubts, however slight and fleeting, even as they told the world they were certain about climate change. However, the exchanges don't undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions.

The scientists were keenly aware of how their work would be viewed and used, and, just like politicians, went to great pains to shape their message. Sometimes, they sounded more like schoolyard taunts than scientific tenets.

The scientists were so convinced by their own science and so driven by a cause "that unless you're with them, you're against them," said Mark Frankel, director of scientific freedom, responsibility and law at the American Association for the Advancement of Science. He also reviewed the communications.

Frankel saw "no evidence of falsification or fabrication of data, although concerns could be raised about some instances of very 'generous interpretations.'"

More:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD9CHPLC00

[Debcat]

One thing the deniers never can say is just how do they explain the soon-to-be ice-free polar caps ... for the first time in several million years... if not for global warming. Hardly something that can be faked.

[OMG]

The problem I had with the deniers is that they keep skipping between "It's not happening" to "well if it is happening, it's a cycle". So which is it, I heard guys like Noory who literally in a minute went from talking about "big snowfall and cold temps where he lives" but the next day talks about how it's the sun that causes the polar caps to melt. If he thinks that then why talk about individual cities whenever the weather gets cold?

A lot of Repub/Conservs are taking this story and saying "See this shows there is a global warming conspiracy". Hope they take the same stance about the alien conspiracy, because it's done for that topic as well in the same matter.

[Bobbi Snow]

I heard that the e-mails were over 10 years old, and that the final summary of the consensus was (10 years ago) that all concerned agreed to disagree until more proof was found... which has been, since 1999.

[Cherry Kelly]

Ever heard of the

Northwest Passage

Ever seen the old viking style (other wooden ships) found frozen in the arctic, caught when the ice returned rather suddenly?

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Now as to the 'climate warming' do you know these scientists used information obtained from - areas near cities - and totally disregarded other information obtained?
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---and now Copenhagen where the snow and cold have fallen so heavily? A phenomenon not seen in many many years?
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Of course we have cycles - hot - cold - etc. And how much has the average temperatures risen in the past 100 years? And now we have had average temperatures in the last few years that have dropped - gone down - not up.
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