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Two stories of destroyed cell phones

Post by kbot » 09-13-2016 11:21 AM

So, in one story we have New England Patriots record-setting quarterback Tom Brady. Love him, hate him - most everyone has an opinion. In another we have Hillary Clinton. Love her, hate her, most everyone has an opinion.

Tom Brady's offense was allegedly for using a deflated football during a game. He was fined a million bucks, loses in playing time and his reputation, AND his team gets wacked for draft picks.

Hillary's offense is for allegedly endangering national security, endangering the lives of US servicemen and an American ambassador and deserting them despite repeated calls for help, AND for multiple counts of destroying evidence by smashing cells phones with a hammer. Hillary gets the Democrat presidential nomination as a result.

Can't make this stuff up..........

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Following Friday afternoon’s FBI release of documents about Hillary Clinton’s private email servers, Julian Assange, CNN, and Donald Trump have all railed against the revelation that her aide smashed two of her 13 private BlackBerrys with a hammer in an attempt to destroy them. Trump, with his usual talent for avoiding nuance, summed up the criticism: “People who have nothing to hide don’t smash phones with hammers.” But ask a few security and forensics experts, and they’ll tell you Clinton’s mistake wasn’t destroying the devices. If anything, she should have wrecked them more thoroughly.

Whether you’re a Secretary of State with a phone full of classified documents or an average sext-sending citizen, data removal is a crucial security step before you let a device leave your control or recycle it. And security experts agree there’s at least one surefire way to be certain that data is truly removed and unrecoverable: kill the hardware. “You destroy that certain piece that’s storing the critical information, and there’s little chance you’re going to get it back,” says Eric Brown, a lab manager at the forensic data-recovery firm Flashback Data. “It doesn’t matter how much money you throw at it or how much experience you have.”

If Clinton had in fact used a federally-issued Blackberry like President Obama does, it might well have been destroyed after she used it, too. In accordance with a 2012 General Services Administration bulletin, all agencies must either recycle or donate used electronics for reuse. The State Department abides by that policy, too; if Clinton had been using State-issued devices, they would have gone through a similar, if more standardized, process of data deletion. A State Department official explained in a statement to WIRED that “department security policies mandate that all electronic devices are cleared of sensitive or classified information prior to reuse or disposal.” Some devices are wiped and reused, in other words, while others are destroyed as part of the recycling process.

There are plenty of ways to approach data destruction through software-based deletion or overwriting. But hardware destruction has the advantage of simplicity; An amateur might not be certain that a software deletion tool has rendered data unrecoverable against advanced forensic techniques, given that it is sometimes possible to restore “deleted” data. In mechanical hard drives, for example, the system may mark data as deleted but leave it in place until it is overwritten by new inputs. But smash storage hardware to small enough bits, and not even the cleverest forensic techniques can put the data back together coherently. “You can easily physically destroy things,” says Brown. “You just need to make sure you’re thorough in doing it.”

The real issue with the Clinton staff’s practice of destroying her Blackberrys is that question of thoroughness. The same staffer who bought and set up Clinton’s server told the FBI that of the 13 BlackBerry smartphones Clinton used while at the State Department, there were “two instances where he destroyed Clinton’s old mobile devices by breaking them in half or hitting them with a hammer,” according to the FBI’s report. In a situation like Clinton’s, there’s no way to know whether breaking a device in half or wailing on it with a Ball-Peen actually destroyed the memory chip holding the phone’s data. “Destruction doesn’t always mean destroyed,” Brown says.

https://www.wired.com/2016/09/actually- ... es-better/
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Re: Two stories of destroyed cell phones

Post by kbot » 09-14-2016 10:52 AM

I'm surprised. Usually MSNBC plays-up Colbert to the hilt. When it's about someone else of course.......

Stephen Colbert Has Figured Out the Mystery With Clinton’s 13 Cell Phones: ‘Are You a Crack Dealer?’

On Friday while you were stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic on the Garden State Parkway headed for the shore for your Labor Day weekend, the FBI released the detailed notes of its three hour interview with Hillary Clinton during its investigation into her private email server. The notes were the basis of the FBI’s recommendation to the Justice Department not to charge Clinton, and one of the more revealing elements to come out Friday afternoon was that the former Secretary of State used as many as thirteen different devices.

Even more amazingly, when the FBI asked for the thirteen devices, the lawyers representing Clinton were not able to turn over any. Not one.

Stephen Colbert had himself a bit of fun with this revelation during the monologue for last night’s Late Show, coming to the conclusion behind the reason for so many devices.

“Thirteen cell phones!” Colbert exclaimed. “Madam Secretary tell the truth: are you a crack dealer? ‘Cuz I can’t figure out why else you would need thirteen phones,” he said through a hoarse voice.

Watch the above monologue from CBS’ The Late Show, and skip ahead to the 7:00 minute mark for his bit on Clinton’s CellGate.
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Re: Two stories of destroyed cell phones

Post by kbot » 09-14-2016 11:01 AM

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Channeling Nixon

Hillary’s memory failure has a parallel in the Watergate scandal

One wouldn’t think Hillary Clinton and former President Richard Nixon would have a lot in common, but in responding to FBI investigators that she “could not recall any briefing or training by State related to retention of federal records or handling classified information,” Mrs. Clinton took a page straight out of Nixon’s playbook.

In a March 23, 1973 meeting with top aides Bob Haldeman and John Dean to discuss what Mr. Dean should say during testimony before a grand jury looking into the Watergate affair, the following exchange took place.

Haldeman: “You can say you have forgotten, can’t you?”

Dean: “Sure, but you are chancing a very high risk for a perjury situation.”

Nixon: “But you can say I don’t remember. You can say I don’t recall .”

Thirty-nine times by CNN’s count, Hillary Clinton invoked Nixon’s advice in her response to questions from FBI investigators. No wonder. The things she might recall could be contradictory to statements she has made in the past.
The Weekly Standard has chronicled a few of them in an editorial titled “Absolute, Categorical Lies.” They are too numerous to list here, but worth reading.

Mrs. Clinton also claimed to have used two devices for her emails, one for work, the other personal. According to The Hill, in the just released report on Mrs. Clinton’s emails, the FBI identified 13 mobile devices “that were potentially used to send emails via clintonemail.com.” In addition, writes Bloomberg Politics, the FBI “cited five iPads it sought as part of the probe that were ‘potentially’ used to send private e-mails.” The FBI found three. No one knows what happened to the other two. Maybe someone should dig up Sidney Blumenthal’s backyard?

You can almost smell the corruption.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ard-nixon/
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Re: Two stories of destroyed cell phones

Post by Riddick » 09-14-2016 12:43 PM

Since when has Hillary been proved guilty OF anything criminal, beyond a reasonable doubt, IN a court of law?

Bottom line for all the talk of malfeasance in office the fact of the matter is, Hillary IS innocent. Presumably.

As good a name clearing endorsement she's ever likely to get, in that sense Lady Justice is "Ready For Hillary!"

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Post by kbot » 09-15-2016 10:56 AM

The closest this will come to a court was when the FBI Director listed all the things she did wrong, or were illegal (and would have gotten virtually everyone else fired, btw), and then announced that they would not pursue any criminal charges, effectively closing the case.

Now, Rep Chaffetz, is still pursing the issue because, let's face it, laws were broken (everyone has acknowledged that much at least), despite the FBIs choice not to pursue the matter any further and he appears to be going after those peripherally involved with this. THEY can go to jail, and since there are more of them involved than Hillary, just makes sense that someone will talk rather than risk their name or their family's future while they sit in jail.....
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Post by kbot » 09-15-2016 11:04 AM

And........ this from the Boston Globe (of ALL papers....). Doesn't get much more liberal than the folks at The Globe...........

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But she is also prone to committing unforced errors. Her private e-mail server is, of course, Exhibit A. Now, anyone with reasonable knowledge of (1) the law and (2) prosecutorial pattern should have known her carelessness didn’t constitute a criminal offense. Still, by indulging her penchant for control and convenience, Clinton handed her foes a cudgel to use against her. And by long resisting calls for an apology and a fuller accounting, she made things worse. That’s one big reason why she’s currently wearing the “untrustworthy” albatross around her neck. She’s lucky indeed to be running against a candidate as unpalatable as Donald Trump.

Even as she deals with the fallout from that lingering controversy, her secrecy around her illness and her Sunday stumble from pneumonia have made her health a huge story.

In short, she badly needs to hear a second opinion on some of her clueless, counterproductive zone-of-privacy decisions.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/09/ ... story.html
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Re: Two stories of destroyed cell phones

Post by kbot » 09-15-2016 11:15 AM

From a 2012 story.........

Hillary Clinton's Blood Clot Could Have Been Life Threatening

Hillary Clinton's latest health update -- cerebral venous thrombosis -- is a rare and potentially "life-threatening" condition, according to medical experts, but one from which the globe-trotting secretary of state is likely to recover from.

In an update from her doctors, Clinton's brain scans revealed a clot had formed in the right transverse venous sinus, and she was being successfully treated with anticoagulants.

"She is lucky being Hillary Clinton and had a follow-up MRI -- lucky that her team thought to do it," said Dr. Brian D. Greenwald, medical director at JFK Johnson Rehabilitation Center for Head Injuries. "It could have potentially serious complications."

The backup of blood flow could have caused a stroke or hemorrhage, according to Greenwald.

"Imagine this vein, where all the cerebral spinal fluid inside the head and spine no longer flows through this area," he said. "You get a big back up and that itself could cause a stroke. In the long-term … the venous system can't get the blood out of the brain. It's like a Lincoln Tunnel back up."

A transverse sinus thrombosis is a clot arising in one of the major veins that drains the brain. It is an uncommon but serious disorder.

According to Greenwald, the clot was most likely caused by dehydration brought on by the flu, perhaps exacerbated by a concussion she recently suffered.

"The only time I have seen it happen is when people are severely dehydrated and it causes the blood to be so thick that it causes a clot in the area," said Greenwald. "It's one of the long-term effects of a viral illness."

Drs. Lisa Bardack of the Mt. Kisco Medical Group and Dr. Gigi El-Bayoumi of George Washington University discovered the clot during a routine follow-up MRI on Sunday.

"This is a clot in the vein that is situated in the space between the brain and the skull behind the right ear," they said in a statement today. "It did not result in a stroke, or neurological damage. To help dissolve this clot, her medical team began treating the secretary with blood thinners. She will be released once the medication dose has been established."

Clinton is "making excellent progress," according to her doctors. "She is in good spirits, engaging with her doctors, her family, and her staff."

Clinton, 65, was hospitalized at New York-Presbyterian Hospital Sunday. She suffered a concussion earlier this month after she hit her head when she fainted because of dehydration from a stomach virus, according to an aide.

Dehydration can also precipitate fainting, according to Dr. Neil Martin, head of neurovascular surgery at University of California, Los Angeles Medical Center.

He agreed that the condition could potentially have caused a brain hemorrhage or stroke and been fatal.

"In patients with no symptoms after many days, full recovery is the norm," said Martin. "However, some cases show extension of the thrombus or clot into other regions of the cerebral venous sinuses, and this can worsen the situation considerably -- thus the use of anticoagulants to prevent extension of the thrombus."

But, he said, anticoagulants can be a "double-edged sword." With even a tiny injury within the brain from the concussion, these medications can cause "symptomatic bleed," such as a subdural or intracerebral hemorrhage.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hillary-c ... d=18101213

So, we're four years out from this event. Long term use of anticoagulants can lead to other issues down the line.

Just saying............
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Dead Reckoning

Post by Riddick » 09-15-2016 11:29 AM

kbot wrote:Now, Rep Chaffetz, is still pursing the issue because, let's face it, laws were broken (everyone has acknowledged that much at least), despite the FBIs choice not to pursue the matter any further and he appears to be going after those peripherally involved with this. THEY can go to jail, and since there are more of them involved than Hillary, just makes sense that someone will talk rather than risk their name or their family's future while they sit in jail.....
Talking would make sense if it was only their name or family's future at stake. OTOH, I reckon for most folks sitting in jail is preferable to the alternative, having yourself and/or loved ones laid out on a slab in a morgue.

There's life threatening, and then, there's life threatening. If you know what I mean

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Post by kbot » 09-16-2016 05:49 AM

Riddick wrote: There's life threatening, and then, there's life threatening. If you know what I mean
I do - those associated with the Clinton's tend to have a lower life expectancy than most............
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