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Sh#t, if joe is outahere then what the f#*k

Post by spaceprophet » 09-30-2006 12:51 AM

...so sad. What a great legacy.

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Post by Barbie » 09-30-2006 01:33 AM

IF you're referring to JOE QUINN... as testy as he is, I really LIKE what he says...

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Post by earthist » 09-30-2006 02:12 AM

Don't count the eggs before they're chickens, folks.;)

Anyone who would abandon this place that quickly isn't worth tears. They aren't gone yet, and the discussion isn't over yet, either.

Go back to the other thread, and think of a solution.:cool:
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Post by OidarAM » 09-30-2006 06:08 AM

Joe JOE.oh where did you go ?

In these times we will soon see many back off saying what they think.

The way I see it.......is you better pick your fight with care now.


Better to remain free to fight another day.......

My anger and sheer rage at what I see going on in our country makes me want to SCREAMMMM!

I see sites being taken down soon if they say things that might not fit with the new baby Hitlers growing up before our very eyes....>not naming anyone.

His story repeats once again.......fear may rule but the smart ones will think before they make their move......each move must really count NOW it would seem.

WE>>THE PEOPLE WILL WIN IN THE END!

good luck and good night>>Joe
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Post by whskyfan » 09-30-2006 07:52 AM

Barbie wrote: IF you're referring to JOE QUINN... as testy as he is, I really LIKE what he says...


Ditto.....
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Post by OidarAM » 09-30-2006 08:00 AM

http://thoreau.eserver.org/civil.html

Civil Disobedience
by Henry David Thoreau - 1849
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Desobediencia Civil - Spanish translation by Hernando Jiménez


While Walden can be applied to almost anyone's life, "Civil Disobedience" is like a venerated architectural landmark: it is preserved and admired, and sometimes visited, but for most of us there are not many occasions when it can actually be used. Still, although it is seldom mentioned without references to Gandhi and King, "Civil Disobedience" has more history than many suspect. In the 1940's it was read by the Danish resistance, in the 1950's it was cherished by people who opposed McCarthyism, in the 1960's it was influential in the struggle against South African apartheid, and in the 1970's it was discovered by a new generation of anti-war activists. The lesson learned from all this experience is that Thoreau's ideas really do work, just as he imagined they would.

"Civil Disobedience" in three parts: One - Two - Three

(Originally published as "Resistance to Civil Government")

The Theory, Practice, and Influence of Thoreau's Civil Disobedience by Lawrence Rosenwald - "The essay is individualist, secular, anarchist, elitist and anti-democratic; but it has influenced persons of great religious devotion, leaders of collective campaigns, and members of resistance movements."

Did Thoreau change his mind? This essay is often associated with passive civil disobedience, and some have assumed that Thoreau's support of John Brown was a change from his earlier position. But Michael J. Frederick, in "Transcendental Ethos: Thoreau’s Philosophy & Antebellum Reform," explains why this was not the case.
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Post by OidarAM » 09-30-2006 08:15 AM

Just to let eveyone know. I am not a Russian, An Arab, an Israeli, a Freemason, or any other sort of foriegn operative. I am an American. A 49 year old, US Navy veteran, AMERICAN.

And this is the law. AMERICAN LAW.

This is the law that Bush and his cronies are trying so deperately to avoid being jailed (or worse) under. Violation of this law is a CAPITAL OFFENSE, if the violation results in the death of the victim.

Read it.

US CODE: TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 118 > § 2441

§ 2441. War crimes

(a) Offense.— Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection

(b), shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death.

(b) Circumstances.— The circumstances referred to in subsection (a) are that the person committing such war crime or the victim of such war crime is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 101 of the Immigration and Nationality Act).

(c) Definition.— As used in this section the term “war crime” means any conduct—

(1) defined as a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed at Geneva 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party;

(2) prohibited by Article 23, 25, 27, or 28 of the Annex to the Hague Convention IV, Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, signed 18 October 1907;

(3) which constitutes a violation of common Article 3 of the international conventions signed at Geneva, 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party and which deals with non-international armed conflict; or
(4) of a person who, in relation to an armed conflict and contrary to the provisions of the Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices as amended at Geneva on 3 May 1996 (Protocol II as amended on 3 May 1996), when the United States is a party to such Protocol, willfully kills or causes serious injury to civilians.

Cornell Law School, US Code Collection

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html ... -000-.html
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Post by IvyQ » 09-30-2006 08:31 AM

Originally posted by joequinn to Linnea
Maybe, if you are lucky, you will be found one morning on a pile of dung, your charred bowels spilling out of your abdomen, with “****ing lesbo ****!” carved into your forehead with a crude knife, an expression of agony on your bloody face, and kiddie porn scattered all over your lifeless body.


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Makes no sense why someone would say this to the person that created this forum. A forum which they use to deliver their personal and most informative opinions.

You could have been less violent in expressing your feelings.

Why cut off the hand that feeds you?
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Post by HB3 » 09-30-2006 09:33 AM

Because Joe is mentally ill.

But that's all right -- plenty of smart people are. In today's world, that's usually a sign of good character.

But you guys really don't understand how behavior like this is of a piece with many of his other opinions expressed on this board, do you?
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Post by Ninerism » 09-30-2006 10:55 AM

HB3 wrote: Because Joe is mentally ill.

But that's all right -- plenty of smart people are. In today's world, that's usually a sign of good character.

But you guys really don't understand how behavior like this is of a piece with many of his other opinions expressed on this board, do you?


HB3, oh, I truly hate to read stuff such as all of the above!

I know, I too, was once the target of some of JOE QUINN's darker and most outlandish side, meant to be extremely sarcastic, though with a biting and pricking quill, as it were, the best of the worst, when he would become too dark at times. It's been his style, we all know, though apparently offends too much, with his darker pens ......and he does provocate with violent scenarios, I do understand.

And just as you stated it, plenty of very smart people do have a dark side they feel must be expressed somehow. It's the masks we are made to conform with, as we 'dress' for our social rehearsals, avoiding the unpleasantries, whereas JOE QUINN makes us look at the darkest collective social motivations, some which are presently leading us to hell right now.

Obviously, he gets frustrated, trying to inform us all that we are the one's responsible for placing the BUSHOILCO and fascists at the helm of our erstwhile Democratic Republic, which hardly has any semblance of what we used to think was a desire for balance of powers. Now we have an imperial presidency that constantly mocks all of our former best endeavors as a nation that used to know compassion...... or so we thought.

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Post by joequinn » 09-30-2006 11:02 AM

Thanks for defending me, Ninerism. Yes, you understand my mind. I try to come to terms with my terrors by climbing within them and expressing them to their fullest and showing, secondarily to others but primarily to myself, their homocidal absurdity. But sometimes, the terrors get me and I don't get them. At that point the irony breaks down into despair and the result is chaos.

Oh Ninerism, I feel so anxious this morning! I have not felt this bad since Bush dynamited the levees in New Orleans thirteen months ago. I never listen to my intuition, mainly because I cannot handle what it tells me, but I am so afraid, so deeply afraid, over what has happened in Congress this week.

Oh, Bush will not use torture after all...

Oh, Bush will not use torture in America after all...

Oh, Bush will not use torture in America on American citizens after all...

That's what my conscious mind tells me, Ninerism, but I know better. You do too. The monster is at the door now, and he is starting to scratch at the lock. God help us all!

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Post by Ninerism » 09-30-2006 11:44 AM

joequinn wrote: Thanks for defending me, Ninerism. Yes, you understand my mind. I try to come to terms with my terrors by climbing within them and expressing them to their fullest and showing, secondarily to others but primarily to myself, their homocidal absurdity. But sometimes, the terrors get me and I don't get them. At that point the irony breaks down into despair and the result is chaos.

Oh Ninerism, I feel so anxious this morning! I have not felt this bad since Bush dynamited the levees in New Orleans thirteen months ago. I never listen to my intuition, mainly because I cannot handle what it tells me, but I am so afraid, so deeply afraid, over what has happened in Congress this week.

Oh, Bush will not use torture after all...

Oh, Bush will not use torture in America after all...

Oh, Bush will not use torture in America on American citizens after all...

That's what my conscious mind tells me, Ninerism, but I know better. You do too. The monster is at the door now, and he is starting to scratch at the lock. God help us all!


JOE QUINN, I do completely understand your own present sense of feeling abject despair. My own sense of that over-powering feeling occurred during the American injustices expressed to our fellow American citizens at Mount Carmel, Waco, Texas ......and dare I say to anyone now, it was under a Democrat as president of these United States.

When I head the same news as you, what is causing you so much inner turmoil, was also extremely disheartening to me, too, and to a friend of mine, as we cannot believe that our Congress, knowing and seeing what this particular Bush Two administration has done to our nation and to the World communities, can actually be supported in dark measures to impose further violence and mahem on our prisoners who are only suspected of being 'enemy combatants'. Well, there's an expression, too, eh, 'ENEMY COMBATANTS'!

If we as citizens are suspected now of any egregious acts or even unknown support for any terrorists groups, eg. by donating to a cause we might think is just though being a front for terrorists, we can now be thrown in prison, along with the other ENEMY COMBATANTS, and we can be forced to endure a mock trial, a kangeroo court, which will accept testimonies based upon coerced statements!

I, too, am concerned that ordinary dissidents may soon become as dangerous to the body politik as suspected 'enemy combatants'.

I am extremely disgusted with our entire Congress. Where are the opposition's for this overt fascism we see coming our way, and how Patriot Acts One and Two are undermining our Constitution and Bill of Rights ......and now a futherance of violence and terror allowed to be expressed against prisoners.

But to reiterate to you, JOE QUINN, my greatest disillusionments were felt during the FBI / BATF para-militaristic style seige at Waco, Texas, where military tanks were allowed to be used, and fires were deliberately set in order to destroy the entire compound, and lives of children and families and ordinary American citizens were snuffed-out and extinguished so easily, while nearby fire engines waiting to help and rescue civilians, were held back and not allowed to stop those raging infernos from consuming all lives within that targeted collective religious homes of Mount Carmel, called a 'compound'.

The incredible realization occurred weeks later, when I finally learned that it was only Koresh who was under suspicion of having possibly violated laws of owning and selling weapons -- and that grew to include charges of child abuse which had been satisfactorilly resolved by the local child abuse agencies.

The mass-murder of Americans was never considered to be human abuse or human right's violations.

David Koresh, most any day of the week, could have simply been arrested by any FBI or police agency, when he knowingly went to local stores to shop, not even carrying any weapons! So, obviously, the ATTACK OF AMERICAN CITIZENS AT WACO, TEXAS, was a well-planned psy-op ....or I have never seen any evidence to suggest otherwise.

Clinton apparently was swept-up in that violence, too, underscored with his thumbs-up expression and stating to Ms crocodile lady from Florida swamps, "ATTA GIRL!", as if to say that multiple murders of American lives were unimportant in the seizure of one man.

The CS-gassing of little children, as mere collateral damage, was merely covered-up by allowing Ms. crododile lady with the crocodile no-tears, to state that she took full responsibility, and that was that, nothing to investigate, not even the illegal mass-murders involved, and involving CS-gassing of children, a known toxic agent known to cause deaths of little children.

If those civilian lives had been dogs, or horses, millions of Americans would have likely expressed their outrage; but since the Major Media planted and seeded the minds of Americans in accepting that one man, Koresh, and his followers and supporters might be dangerous villains, and the weeks-on seige presented 24-hours a day on television, furthered mass-hysteria, the American people were swept-up in an emotional terrorism on all of us, and once those FBI /BATH inspired mass-murders were committed, all of us were mostly silenced, or could not accept those horrors.

I have never seen any adequate explanation to define what sort of rule of law provided for the "justification" for mass-murders of American civilians, have you?

I do know and understand your extreme feelings of being over-whelmed by all of this madness. Were I a drinking man, I would have tipped several bottles over this week, especially, too!

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Post by Corvid » 09-30-2006 12:55 PM

I too have found that I am quite crazy. This craziness is not limited to postings on the fantastic forum. I "post" everywhere, in the checkout line at the market, at the tobacco store, over the phone to AT&T, at the VA hospital, and... most profoundly, at the pub. The nature of the pub "regulars" has changed over the years from the "working class" who were the sole support in the early years to the present upscale traders of paper. It has become very right wing and a dispensary of the neocon/media lies. After suffering the baiting of a couple of the reich's yuppies for one too many times I quietly told them exactly what their limited experience and self indulgence and un-witting fascism prevented them from understanding.

I said it so quietly that folks little farther than two blocks away could barely hear me. There comes a time when enough is enough. I want their defense of the reich to move from smugness to abject discomfort. As a result... one of them has begun to think and even insists that he pay for my Guinness. The other has stopped his baiting and finds an excuse to leave as soon as I come in.

I have found that there does exist in those other, more mundane, daily contacts a sense of awareness and distaste of the fascist agenda. Perhaps that is the sentiment of the majority... even if it does not reflect in the voting (imagine that).

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Post by OidarAM » 09-30-2006 02:19 PM

joequinn wrote: Thanks for defending me, Ninerism. Yes, you understand my mind. I try to come to terms with my terrors by climbing within them and expressing them to their fullest and showing, secondarily to others but primarily to myself, their homocidal absurdity. But sometimes, the terrors get me and I don't get them. At that point the irony breaks down into despair and the result is chaos.

Oh Ninerism, I feel so anxious this morning! I have not felt this bad since Bush dynamited the levees in New Orleans thirteen months ago. I never listen to my intuition, mainly because I cannot handle what it tells me, but I am so afraid, so deeply afraid, over what has happened in Congress this week.

Oh, Bush will not use torture after all...

Oh, Bush will not use torture in America after all...

Oh, Bush will not use torture in America on American citizens after all...

That's what my conscious mind tells me, Ninerism, but I know better. You do too. The monster is at the door now, and he is starting to scratch at the lock. God help us all!


Joe,Joe Joe !! I so agree and sure understand what you are saying.

I have such RAGE AND FULL ON ANGER RIGHT NOW!!!

Others can say oh oh be nice.....at what point do we stop being nice and really start yelling fire and kicking some ass??

I am asking at what point? Should we wait for the trains??

I also understand that doing things that will bring down a site may not be a good choice.

Today many sites are watching for this to happen. Many are bookmarking more and more sites as back up.

There does come a time to really say what you feel and also kick fear to the back seat.

We got to this point because so many keep saying oh noo that won't ever happen.......why you are crazy to think that can happen.....well some will say that as they line up to board the trains heading for a camp >>I AM SURE!

WAKE THE HELL UP ALREADY!

Joe thank you for being nasty and trying to make people wake up.......sometimes a hard slap is needed.......maybe it is a little better than a trip to camp? or a bullet?
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Post by OidarAM » 09-30-2006 02:36 PM

LIVING IN A STATE OF TOTAL DENIAL..........

LIARS PLAN FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.....IT IS NO ACCIDENT.........

It is always the nuts and crazy ones that out in front saying what they are seeing?

I may not be correct all the time. I will not let that stop me from searching for the truth.

When other wingnuts/crazy people like me smell a real bad stink.....we know what we smell!!

Read below......many said oh that is bull....it maybe but at what point do we find it is the stink of Bullsh*t that we smell?

Documents Reveal Bush/CFR "Administrative Coup D'etat" of America
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Journalist Jerome Corsi has received the first documents pertaining to a FOIA request asking for full disclosure of the SPP office in its activities towards creating a Pan American Union.

According to a report by World Net Daily, the documents reveal that the Bush administration is running a "shadow government" without congressional oversight in conjunction with Canada and Mexico under the guise of a program "to increase security and to enhance prosperity among the three countries through greater cooperation."

Corsi asserts that a wide range of US administrative law is being re-written in stealth under this program to "integrate" and "harmonize" with administrative law in Mexico and Canada.

The documents contain references to upwards of 13 working groups within an entire organized infrastructure that has drawn from officials within most areas of administrative government including U.S. departments of State, Homeland Security, Commerce, Treasury, Agriculture, Transportation, Energy, Health and Human Services, and the office of the U.S. Trade Representative.

Corsi has further reported that at a recent high-level confab in Banff, an assistant U.S. secretary of state, Thomas A. Shannon , chaired a panel that featured a presentation by Prof. Robert Pastor, author of a book promoting the development of a North American union as a regional government and the adoption of the amero as a common monetary currency to replace the dollar and the peso.

The open plan to merge the US with Mexico and Canada and create a Pan American Union networked by a NAFTA Super Highway has long been a Globalist brainchild but its very real and prescient implementation on behalf of the Council on Foreign Relations has finally been reported on by mainstream news outlets.

After nearly ten years of reporting by Alex Jones and the rest of the Patriot Movement, the establishment press is finally covering serious reports on the plan for a Pan-American Union, based on recent articles by Human Events columnist Jerome Corsi.

[link to infowars.net]

History taught me that Hitler knew how to play the Denial game....do you think that lesson was lost.....evil people will not make the mistakes Hitler made>>TRUST ME!

They will use stories to make me and other like me look crazy when they don't come true.....but what about the ones that do? come true?
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