France on the Edge of the Abyss?
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France on the Edge of the Abyss?
I am certainly no slave of Allah, but I worry about what will happen to France if Sarkozy wins the General Election there:
http://today.reuters.com/misc/PrinterFr ... ECTION.xml
I remember leafing through a book in the mid-1970s on the prophecies of Nostradamus, a book in which Nostradamus clearly states that you will know that a great period of horror in world history would be triggered by a Middle Eastern invasion of France. When I read that part, I chuckled to myself, "Michel, weren't you puffing on the joint a little too hard when you made that prophecy?" Well, I ain't chuckling now....
http://today.reuters.com/misc/PrinterFr ... ECTION.xml
I remember leafing through a book in the mid-1970s on the prophecies of Nostradamus, a book in which Nostradamus clearly states that you will know that a great period of horror in world history would be triggered by a Middle Eastern invasion of France. When I read that part, I chuckled to myself, "Michel, weren't you puffing on the joint a little too hard when you made that prophecy?" Well, I ain't chuckling now....
"Fuggedah about it, Jake --- it's Chinatown!"
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I've been following this election and have to say joequinn is on target.
France, population 60 million, has an Islamic immigrant population of over 5 million people.
France's lack of backbone in dealing with its Muslim invasion is highlighted by the following absurd position, voiced by one of its prominent politicians, Nicholas Sarkozy:
Sarkozy wants to give France's 5 million Muslims, who form Western Europe's largest Islamic community, the means to build mosques. He believes that bringing Islam out into the open would help Muslims integrate into French society.
Sarkozy is suggesting that the French themselves, finance the propagation of Islam inside their country's borders.
edited to correct France's population, and add the following:
RELIGION: France is a secular state. The large majority of the population is Roman Catholic. There are an estimated five million Muslims and some 600,000 Jews.
France, population 60 million, has an Islamic immigrant population of over 5 million people.
France's lack of backbone in dealing with its Muslim invasion is highlighted by the following absurd position, voiced by one of its prominent politicians, Nicholas Sarkozy:
Sarkozy wants to give France's 5 million Muslims, who form Western Europe's largest Islamic community, the means to build mosques. He believes that bringing Islam out into the open would help Muslims integrate into French society.
Sarkozy is suggesting that the French themselves, finance the propagation of Islam inside their country's borders.
edited to correct France's population, and add the following:
RELIGION: France is a secular state. The large majority of the population is Roman Catholic. There are an estimated five million Muslims and some 600,000 Jews.
Last edited by Shimmering Auro on 05-05-2007 04:45 PM, edited 1 time in total.
The conflict is not between Islam and the West. Oh no! The conflict is between fundamentalism (period) and progressivism (period). Amen, amen, I say unto you, the day will come when you will see Osama Bin Laden and Jerry Falwell embracing one another as brothers! For they are brothers.
Remember, folks, what D. H. Lawrence told us: the only way out is the way through!
Remember, folks, what D. H. Lawrence told us: the only way out is the way through!
"Fuggedah about it, Jake --- it's Chinatown!"
I know other Nostradamus scholars--at least, Peter Le Mesurier, from a couple of his books that I have read--have also focussed on a future invasion of Europe by Muslim forces. Le Mesurier had thought it would happen in the late 1990s and force the Pope to flee Rome. Timing, of course, is always subject to change.
Bearing in mind that Segolene Royal is trying to win an election that will be decided tomorrow, one may understand a certain amount of hyperbole in her pronouncements. Nevertheless, I'm pulling for her, because Sarkozy's a jerk and she's a Socialist. Also she's kinda hot, not that one should notice such things.
Bearing in mind that Segolene Royal is trying to win an election that will be decided tomorrow, one may understand a certain amount of hyperbole in her pronouncements. Nevertheless, I'm pulling for her, because Sarkozy's a jerk and she's a Socialist. Also she's kinda hot, not that one should notice such things.
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Swerdloc, you should beat yourself senseless like that crazy albino monk in The Da Vinci Code for your bourgeois revisionism! All socialists are hawt, and all fascists are repulsive! Beat yourself senseless as you beg forgiveness of Saint Karl of Marx for your lack of faith in the socialist solution to all problems!
"Fuggedah about it, Jake --- it's Chinatown!"
I have spent the last hour reading about Sarkozy, his political philosophy and positions, and the demographics of his victory today in the French Presidential election.
The case can be made --- although I personally cannot make it --- that the debased, degenerate and doomed peoples of Great Britain and Amerika did not know what they were doing when they elected Thatcher in 1979 and Reagan in 1981. (I personally believe that they did know, but not everybody agrees with me.) But there can be absolutely no question, no question whatsoever, that the French people knew exactly what they were doing when they elected Sarkozy. Let's not mince words, folks: today's vote in France was the most blatant endorsement of fascism by a democracy since Reagan's election in November of 1980. Absolutely no question about it.
There is no doubt in my mind that a majority of the French voters --- with a turnout the highest in forty years! --- cold-bloodly decided that they can hold onto "theirs" as they kick the majority of their fellow proles to the curb. They are wrong, of course, as both the British and the Amerikan people (well, maybe, the British people) can tell them, but in the short run --- which, given the way that things are going, may be the only run at this point! --- they probably are right.
We laugh at the French for their "weirdness": hell, I myself have made jokes about the French. But we must not forget that, during the past fifty years, life has been quite sweet in France, with 35-hour work weeks and August vacations that Amerikans in France have always envied. Like the particular content of the culture or not, there always has been culture in France, a dolceur de vie that shines brightly in the darkness of the post-war world.
Well, folks, dem days is ended! Sarkozy is going to take the knife to that leisure, upon which culture must be based, and the French proles are going to join their British and Amerikan brothers and sisters in cringing under the discipline of the lash. The French middle-class --- most of whom voted for Sarkozy --- will be liquidated; a two-tier society will appear in France that will make today's socio-economic divisions there look like child's play; and the ****ing capitalist pigs will sit on the Rive Gauche contemplating Notre Dame over their demitasse and smirk at how "countercultural" they really are --- inside, where it really counts, where nobody can see it. Yeah, right! And while we're on the subject, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale and that I would like you to bid on!
It really seems to me that, with Sarkozy's election (about which I have heard no reports of ballot tampering --- that will come later when the French bourgeoisie have second thoughts about the New French Order), it really seems to me that, with Sarkozy's election, the people of the First World have opted for global civil war in which 5% of the world's population ontrols almost all of its resources, and another 20% to 30% exist to serve them on bended knee to stay alive, while 65% to 75% are left to fend for themselves, shot down in the streets on their feet if they refuse to starve to death in their holes on their knees.
It really seems to me that Reagan, Thatcher, Blair, Dubya, Merkel --- and now Sarkozy --- are not accidents, but the collective expression of an exhausted and homocidal society that lives, like Dracula, on a feast of blood, while it longs for the aspen stake that someday will put it out of its misery and give it true peace in the end...
Yep, it really does seem that simple to me...
The case can be made --- although I personally cannot make it --- that the debased, degenerate and doomed peoples of Great Britain and Amerika did not know what they were doing when they elected Thatcher in 1979 and Reagan in 1981. (I personally believe that they did know, but not everybody agrees with me.) But there can be absolutely no question, no question whatsoever, that the French people knew exactly what they were doing when they elected Sarkozy. Let's not mince words, folks: today's vote in France was the most blatant endorsement of fascism by a democracy since Reagan's election in November of 1980. Absolutely no question about it.
There is no doubt in my mind that a majority of the French voters --- with a turnout the highest in forty years! --- cold-bloodly decided that they can hold onto "theirs" as they kick the majority of their fellow proles to the curb. They are wrong, of course, as both the British and the Amerikan people (well, maybe, the British people) can tell them, but in the short run --- which, given the way that things are going, may be the only run at this point! --- they probably are right.
We laugh at the French for their "weirdness": hell, I myself have made jokes about the French. But we must not forget that, during the past fifty years, life has been quite sweet in France, with 35-hour work weeks and August vacations that Amerikans in France have always envied. Like the particular content of the culture or not, there always has been culture in France, a dolceur de vie that shines brightly in the darkness of the post-war world.
Well, folks, dem days is ended! Sarkozy is going to take the knife to that leisure, upon which culture must be based, and the French proles are going to join their British and Amerikan brothers and sisters in cringing under the discipline of the lash. The French middle-class --- most of whom voted for Sarkozy --- will be liquidated; a two-tier society will appear in France that will make today's socio-economic divisions there look like child's play; and the ****ing capitalist pigs will sit on the Rive Gauche contemplating Notre Dame over their demitasse and smirk at how "countercultural" they really are --- inside, where it really counts, where nobody can see it. Yeah, right! And while we're on the subject, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale and that I would like you to bid on!
It really seems to me that, with Sarkozy's election (about which I have heard no reports of ballot tampering --- that will come later when the French bourgeoisie have second thoughts about the New French Order), it really seems to me that, with Sarkozy's election, the people of the First World have opted for global civil war in which 5% of the world's population ontrols almost all of its resources, and another 20% to 30% exist to serve them on bended knee to stay alive, while 65% to 75% are left to fend for themselves, shot down in the streets on their feet if they refuse to starve to death in their holes on their knees.
It really seems to me that Reagan, Thatcher, Blair, Dubya, Merkel --- and now Sarkozy --- are not accidents, but the collective expression of an exhausted and homocidal society that lives, like Dracula, on a feast of blood, while it longs for the aspen stake that someday will put it out of its misery and give it true peace in the end...
Yep, it really does seem that simple to me...
Last edited by joequinn on 05-06-2007 03:07 PM, edited 1 time in total.
"Fuggedah about it, Jake --- it's Chinatown!"
joequinn wrote: The French middle-class --- most of whom voted for Sarkozy --- will be liquidated; a two-tier society will appear in France that will make today's socio-economic divisions there look like child's play;
It really seems to me that Reagan, Thatcher, Blair, Dubya, Merkel --- and now Sarkozy --- are not accidents, but the collective expression of an exhausted and homocidal society
Yep, it really does seem that simple to me...
I too think it really is that simple Joe, and I am glad that I am not any younger than I am...
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry
It's started already...
Police were ready, both in Paris and in the French city of Lyon, to deal with those who were less than deliriously happy with Sarkozy's victory.
The big question: can the native French prole and the immigrant Muslim prole realize that they have a hell of a lot more in common with one another than with the herd of degenerate swine that now rule them? If the testimony of past French history is any indicator, then probably not. But hope, as they say, does spring eternal...
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/ ... olence.php
In Paris, some of the "rioters" actually turned around, dropped their trousers and mooned the French police, who promptly made these improperly socialized, insolent young "rioters" pay dearly for their impertinence, let me tell you...
Imagine if, on 20 January 2001, we had a hundred yard line of bare asses facing the Amerikan Caligula as he rode to his enthronement. Perish the thought! We Yanks are too finely bred for such crude gestures of disrespect for authority! But the gutter is as bitter a place to be in Washington, DC, as it is in Paris, France. Amerika doesn't realize that... yet...
Police were ready, both in Paris and in the French city of Lyon, to deal with those who were less than deliriously happy with Sarkozy's victory.
The big question: can the native French prole and the immigrant Muslim prole realize that they have a hell of a lot more in common with one another than with the herd of degenerate swine that now rule them? If the testimony of past French history is any indicator, then probably not. But hope, as they say, does spring eternal...
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/ ... olence.php
In Paris, some of the "rioters" actually turned around, dropped their trousers and mooned the French police, who promptly made these improperly socialized, insolent young "rioters" pay dearly for their impertinence, let me tell you...
Imagine if, on 20 January 2001, we had a hundred yard line of bare asses facing the Amerikan Caligula as he rode to his enthronement. Perish the thought! We Yanks are too finely bred for such crude gestures of disrespect for authority! But the gutter is as bitter a place to be in Washington, DC, as it is in Paris, France. Amerika doesn't realize that... yet...
"Fuggedah about it, Jake --- it's Chinatown!"
Rioting has spread to Toulouse. And the polls closed a little more than four hours ago...
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/532361c8-fc21-1 ... 10621.html
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/532361c8-fc21-1 ... 10621.html
"Fuggedah about it, Jake --- it's Chinatown!"
Yup....and again, the irony is that he's such a total lightweight....imagine if someone serious had been elected. So, in a way, it's good that this is happening now, so the French people are under no illusions about what's already happened to their country.
'The People Have Chosen Change'
Updated: 22:53, Sunday May 06, 2007
Riot police in Paris fired tear gas into crowds which gathered after Nicolas Sarkozy's presidential election victory.
The disturbances happened at the Place de la Bastille, a popular hub for demonstrations and strikes.
Thousands of police have been deployed in the capital and its suburbs.
Railway stations are also under high surveillance in case gangs of youths travel to disrupt victory festivities.
The trouble followed news that Sarkozy - a right-wing Conservative - is thought to have beaten socialist Segolene Royal by six points to replace Jacques Chirac.
Sarkozy - who in his victory speech vowed to represent all of France - said: "The French people have chosen change.
"They have decided to break with the ideas and habits of the past. I will rehabilitate work, authority, morality, respect, merit.
"I will restore honour to the nation and national identity - I will bring French pride back to the French people."
In a second speech to massed crowds, he said: "France has given me everything and the time has come for me to give back everything it has given."
Sarkozy, who has promised 100 days of action when he takes control, added that America could "count on our friendship" but that it must take the lead on climate change.
Initial exit polls revealed the reform-minded victor won 53% of the vote. Although unofficial, the exit polls are usually accurate.
Ms Royal, addressing her faithful supporters in Paris after conceding defeat, said she had given "all her strength" during the campaign.
She added: "I would like to thank the 17 million people who voted for me and I express disappointment but I would like to say to them that something has been started that will not stop."
Sky's Foreign Affairs editor, Tim Marshall, said Sarkozy is known as 'Thatcher with trousers', after former UK prime minister Margaret Thatcher.
He added: "He'll think he's got a mandate to change this country."
Voter turnout was 85%, the highest level in 33 years.
Mr Sarkozy, 52, the son of a Hungarian immigrant who heads the ruling Union for a Popular Movement, was seen as the clear frontrunner.
The latter stages of the campaign had been marked by a bitter war of words between the two.
On Friday, Ms Royal - who would have been the country's first woman president - warned of "violence and brutalities triggered across the country" if he wins.
She was highlighting fears that a victory by him could spark unrest in the poor high-immigration neighbourhoods that were the scene of riots in 2005.
Mr Sarkozy, who was Interior Minister at the time, is a hate figure for many young people of black and Arab origin.
He has also been vilified as a hard-right authoritarian by many on the left.
'The People Have Chosen Change'
Updated: 22:53, Sunday May 06, 2007
Riot police in Paris fired tear gas into crowds which gathered after Nicolas Sarkozy's presidential election victory.
The disturbances happened at the Place de la Bastille, a popular hub for demonstrations and strikes.
Thousands of police have been deployed in the capital and its suburbs.
Railway stations are also under high surveillance in case gangs of youths travel to disrupt victory festivities.
The trouble followed news that Sarkozy - a right-wing Conservative - is thought to have beaten socialist Segolene Royal by six points to replace Jacques Chirac.
Sarkozy - who in his victory speech vowed to represent all of France - said: "The French people have chosen change.
"They have decided to break with the ideas and habits of the past. I will rehabilitate work, authority, morality, respect, merit.
"I will restore honour to the nation and national identity - I will bring French pride back to the French people."
In a second speech to massed crowds, he said: "France has given me everything and the time has come for me to give back everything it has given."
Sarkozy, who has promised 100 days of action when he takes control, added that America could "count on our friendship" but that it must take the lead on climate change.
Initial exit polls revealed the reform-minded victor won 53% of the vote. Although unofficial, the exit polls are usually accurate.
Ms Royal, addressing her faithful supporters in Paris after conceding defeat, said she had given "all her strength" during the campaign.
She added: "I would like to thank the 17 million people who voted for me and I express disappointment but I would like to say to them that something has been started that will not stop."
Sky's Foreign Affairs editor, Tim Marshall, said Sarkozy is known as 'Thatcher with trousers', after former UK prime minister Margaret Thatcher.
He added: "He'll think he's got a mandate to change this country."
Voter turnout was 85%, the highest level in 33 years.
Mr Sarkozy, 52, the son of a Hungarian immigrant who heads the ruling Union for a Popular Movement, was seen as the clear frontrunner.
The latter stages of the campaign had been marked by a bitter war of words between the two.
On Friday, Ms Royal - who would have been the country's first woman president - warned of "violence and brutalities triggered across the country" if he wins.
She was highlighting fears that a victory by him could spark unrest in the poor high-immigration neighbourhoods that were the scene of riots in 2005.
Mr Sarkozy, who was Interior Minister at the time, is a hate figure for many young people of black and Arab origin.
He has also been vilified as a hard-right authoritarian by many on the left.
Sunday, May 06, 2007
More violence following Sarkozy's big win
posted by U*2 @ 4:59 PM
Mohamed Mechmache, President of AC Le Feu -- an association created following the November 2005 riots, has ominously warned that "France did not understand the message sent during the riots in October and November of 2005."
In Lille, just before 22h00, around 200 anarchists French youths with black flags grouped around the Grand Place and chanted "Fascist Sarko, the people will have your hide". After pelting riot police, the demonstrators were dispersed. One demonstrator was injured.
Firemen in the south of Lille have answered 20 alarms for torched vehicles.
Around 100 demonstrators grouped around the Place Kléber in Strasbourg slightly after 21h00 and chanted "Sarkozy fasciste".
More violence following Sarkozy's big win
posted by U*2 @ 4:59 PM
Mohamed Mechmache, President of AC Le Feu -- an association created following the November 2005 riots, has ominously warned that "France did not understand the message sent during the riots in October and November of 2005."
In Lille, just before 22h00, around 200 anarchists French youths with black flags grouped around the Grand Place and chanted "Fascist Sarko, the people will have your hide". After pelting riot police, the demonstrators were dispersed. One demonstrator was injured.
Firemen in the south of Lille have answered 20 alarms for torched vehicles.
Around 100 demonstrators grouped around the Place Kléber in Strasbourg slightly after 21h00 and chanted "Sarkozy fasciste".
Here is one thing I don't get, I think the biggest story of the last 5 years of the world is the Iraq war. The huge mistake of it. So why is every country who did the CORRECT decision of not going into Iraq are having leaders elected off or new leaders being put in that WERE for the war?
It happened in Canada with the Ultra Conservative Harper taking over as the Liberals lost. last year. Now a new leader in France who was supportive of the Iraq war. People of Canada and France were proud of their country not falling for Bush's war but vote in two new guys who agreed with it? I know there's more than one reason or topics in elections, but you'd think that would be a big minus on them yet they won?
It happened in Canada with the Ultra Conservative Harper taking over as the Liberals lost. last year. Now a new leader in France who was supportive of the Iraq war. People of Canada and France were proud of their country not falling for Bush's war but vote in two new guys who agreed with it? I know there's more than one reason or topics in elections, but you'd think that would be a big minus on them yet they won?