Iraq Casualties and Wounded

Psychicwolf · Post by **Psychicwolf** » 09-08-2007 01:31 AM

Could one of the mods, pretty please, pin this to the top of the topic like in the old P&G?

U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD: 3748
Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation: 12
Total 3760

Wounded:
Total 27186
Last update from the DoD: 09-Aug-07

SETIsLady · Post by **SETIsLady** » 09-08-2007 01:38 AM

no problem Psychicwolf, already done.

Psychicwolf · Post by **Psychicwolf** » 09-09-2007 04:53 PM

U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD: 3754
Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation: 8
Total 3762
DoD Confirmation List
Latest Coalition Fatality: Sep 09, 2007
Year US Deaths US Wounded
2003 486 2408
2004 849 8002
2005 846 5948
2006 822 6398
2007 759 4430
Total 3762 27186

SETIsLady · Post by **SETIsLady** » 09-09-2007 06:16 PM

Psychicwolf · Post by **Psychicwolf** » 09-10-2007 04:42 PM

U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD: 3758
Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation: 13
Total 3771
DoD Confirmation List
Latest Coalition Fatality: Sep 10, 2007
As of 8/31/07:
Died of Self-Inflicted wounds 122

Joolz · Post by **Joolz** » 09-10-2007 05:14 PM

Did anyone else watch James Gandolfini's "Alive Day Memories: Home from Iraq" on HBO last night?

(If you don't have HBO, the entire program can be viewed online at the above link. It's tough to watch, and unless you are made of stone, will make you cry, but is worth it.)

One of the screens in the film makes the point that, in all past wars, 90% of what is today the figure given for the wounded would have died.

Corvid and I thought about that... let's see... that means of 27,186 wounded, 24,467 would have died. So, in comparison to past wars, such as Vietnam, Korea, or WWII, the death toll would be much higher... more like 28,238. That's rather sobering to think about.

This 90% of our wounded soldiers are surviving, but for some of them, their quality of life is just horrendous. I am truly left speechless.

Psychicwolf · Post by **Psychicwolf** » 09-10-2007 06:46 PM

That is true Joolz. The Army pioneered trauma medicine which is now it's own specialty. Alot of what we did when I worked at one of the nation's top ten academic hospitals was learned through Army Med's experiences. Unfortunately, due to the nature of this war, alot of the injuries in Iraq have been head injury. Rehab and treatment has come a long way, but there is a reason nurses often say that "if I get a head injury please tattoo my chest DO NOT RESUSITATE!":(

Joolz · Post by **Joolz** » 09-10-2007 07:20 PM

Yes, there was one young man who had head injuries (brain injuries) in the HBO special. He was the one who really got to me.

Fotograf · Post by **Fotograf** » 09-11-2007 10:46 PM

I have read now and then, in various sources, that the US is camoflaging the actual number of Iraq War deaths by the way it counts them. To be counted as having died in the Iraqi War one must actually die in the country. If a service member is wounded and flown somewhere else for treatment (e,.g., Germany) and subsequently dies, s/he is not an Iraqi War death. Further, if a service member commits suicide in Iraq s/he is not counted as a war death.

vigo · Post by **vigo** » 09-12-2007 12:21 AM

Thank you for the link Joolz.

I watched it...

Psychicwolf · Post by **Psychicwolf** » 09-12-2007 01:22 AM

Fotograf wrote: I have read now and then, in various sources, that the US is camoflaging the actual number of Iraq War deaths by the way it counts them. To be counted as having died in the Iraqi War one must actually die in the country. If a service member is wounded and flown somewhere else for treatment (e,.g., Germany) and subsequently dies, s/he is not an Iraqi War death. Further, if a service member commits suicide in Iraq s/he is not counted as a war death.

I get my stats now from here:
http://icasualties.org/oif/
They are not connected to DoD but they don't exagerate numbers either. They also have the name of every soldier whose death has been confirmed. Pretty much any stat on injuries, casualties, etc, is on this site.

Psychicwolf · Post by **Psychicwolf** » 09-12-2007 01:23 AM

U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD: 3765
Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation: 9
Total 3774
DoD Confirmation List
Latest Coalition Fatality: Sep 10, 2007

Joolz · Post by **Joolz** » 09-12-2007 04:58 AM

vigo wrote: Thank you for the link Joolz.

I watched it...

I'm glad the link was useful to you, vigo. This is rather unprecedented for HBO to make an entire program available for viewing over the net. I take it that they want as many people as possible to see it. I hope others will also watch it. As I said, it's not easy to watch. But then, it shouldn't be easy.

SETIsLady · Post by **SETIsLady** » 09-12-2007 09:59 PM

Thank you Julie for posting this, I don't get HBO so I would have never seen this. Of course, I am in tears. It would be great if you can put this in the documentary area of the ship too.

Shirleypal · Post by **Shirleypal** » 09-12-2007 10:22 PM

Thanks Julie, I just watched about 20 minutes and will catch the rest tomorrow evening on HBO, it is too late for me to watch it all right now........just 20 minutes is really sad.