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Democrat Party Splitting????

Post by kbot » 07-26-2016 05:55 AM

Since studying the political views of the Progressive wing within the Democrat Party, I've been reading more about the history of Socialism in the US, going back to the 1700s (believe it or not........), through the 1800s and the "golden age" in the US in the 1920s and 1930s when most advances to the American worker's rights were won.

My belief is that we're seeing a resurgence of Socialism in the US, fueled by the same interests that drove people to join in larger numbers in the period just before and after WWI. The Far Left is making itself felt more in American politics, whether through the election and actions of people such as Franken of Minnesota, Warren of Massachusetts and Sanders of Vermont, or Obama. But, the Democrat Party as a whole is still resistant to the ideas found in the Socialist's worldview.

After watching (some) of the DNC last night, I can see a definite split coming within the party as Sanders supporters refuse to support Hillary, who they see as just another corporate shill......

Bernie Sanders aims to unite as some supporters remain angry

PHILADELPHIA — Bernie Sanders set out to unify his loyal and frustrated supporters behind Hillary Clinton during a prime-time speech Monday night at the Democratic National Convention which followed an outdoor afternoon rally in stifling heat.

But the first day of this year’s DNC showed that distrust, division and even anger remains among many Sanders diehards, including his delegates from Tennessee, where Clinton won big in the Democratic primary in March.

From the opening gavel of the convention Monday, Sanders delegates expressed dissatisfaction from the floor. Many booed during the opening invocation after a pastor expressed her support for Clinton and more jeers came from Sanders backers during the early part of the evening each time a speaker called on Democrats to elect Clinton in November.

Still, a majority of those in the crowd cheered for the presumptive nominee when she was mentioned. Tennessee was not among the delegations with large rowdy packs of Sanders loyalists.

Sanders supporters had a variety chants, including “Election Fraud,” “This is not what democracy looks like,” and “Wikileaks!”

Some in crowd chant "This is what democracy looks like" #DNCinPHLpic.twitter.com/oX9u3umqPg
— Joel Ebert (@joelebert29) July 25, 2016

Bernie Sanders' delegates boo his call at convention to back Hillary Clinton

The latter was a reference to recently leaked emails from the organization that has published sensitive information on a variety of topics which showed favoritism for Clinton in her primary fight against Sanders last year. The emails prompted the resignation of DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who also relinquished her gavel duties to Rep. Marcia Fudge, D-Ohio.

Clinton, former U.S. secretary of state, is relying on support from Sanders loyalists in her November race against Republican Donald Trump, who has enjoyed a bounce in the polls following last week’s Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/po ... /87549900/
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Re: Democrat Party Splitting????

Post by kbot » 07-26-2016 06:06 AM

As a personal aside, while working on some family history, I found a copy of the WWI draft card for a distant relative of mine and written on the card was a notation that he was a conscientious objector as he was a member of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW), and they viewed the First World War (and war in general) in a negative light. IWW members, along with Quakers, Mennonites and whole groups of others who refused to participate in war were arrested, imprisoned (some tortured) for their beliefs. This particular relative of mine somehow managed to find himself in Detroit. His family came here from England and they worked in the mills here (as did their family in England). By the time of the imposition of the draft in May 1917, he was working as an electrician in Detroit, and he, as with many industrial workers, looked on America's involvement in the war as being more in the interests of corporations and banks rather than the people's interests.

Interesting website from Swarthmore College on the conscientious objector movement can be found here:

https://www.swarthmore.edu/library/peac ... oryNew.htm

I think that, given the grassroots popularity of many of what are, at the end of the day, Socialist ideas, we will continue to see the Democrats split. We're already seeing this with millennials, those opposed to war, the poor and middle classes looking on in dismay as "their" elected officials sign trade agreements that continue to send jobs overseas, and so forth.
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Re: Democrat Party Splitting????

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Interesting updates......

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They refused to go quietly.

“I’m booing now, and I’m going to boo for four more days,” said Jody Feldman, a delegate from California, as she sat on the convention floor.

Sanders followers erupted into expletive-laden taunts of the party’s chairwoman, issued acid denunciations of Mrs. Clinton and, most vividly of all, offered a lukewarm and recalcitrant reaction to his prime-time endorsement of Mrs. Clinton. “Bernie for president!” a few shouted. “We are so disappointed!” a woman yelled.

For the Sanders faithful, piercing disappointment was the unmistakable theme of the day.

“Hell no, D.N.C.! We won’t vote for Hillary!” his supporters yelled to Democratic delegates as they walked into the convention hall on Monday night. “Lock her up!” they screamed from the streets.

Revolutions rarely end quietly. It was a lesson that Mr. Sanders seemed to absorb on live national television, with his face betraying surprise and his wagging finger pleading for peace, while his backers shouted over him at a Center City rally on Monday afternoon. “We want Bernie!” they screamed, when he explained his endorsement of Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Sanders appealed for unity, mentioning Mrs. Clinton’s name 15 times in his speech late Monday, and declaring that “Hillary Clinton must become the next president of the United States.”

But his most loyal supporters were hungry for more combat.

Liz Maratea, 31, a delegate from New Jersey, said she refuses to lay down arms and accept Mrs. Clinton as the nominee. “She has the moral depth of a thimble,” Ms. Maratea said. “Are we supposed to take this, or are we supposed to rise up?”

Here in Philadelphia, it was the Sanders-inspired activists who seized the message and the megaphone of his self-proclaimed rebellion against money and power — and who decided that the man who had inspired their cause, and who adorned their T-shirts, was no longer their movement’s unchallenged leader.

“As beloved as Bernie is,” said Norman Solomon, a Sanders delegate from California, “he’s not running the show.”

Pressed on Monday morning whether Mr. Sanders could prevent delegates from staging disruptive demonstrations at the convention, Mr. Solomon, who was coordinating hundreds of fellow Sanders delegates, suggested the senator’s voice held no greater sway than anyone else’s.

“We will take that under advisement,” Mr. Solomon said, “as we would from any other source.”

Hours later, Mr. Sanders did just that, beseeching delegates in an urgent email not to endanger his reputation and theirs by booing or walking out on Mrs. Clinton and her allies on the convention floor.

“Our credibility as a movement will be damaged,” Mr. Sanders warned, adding: “That’s what Donald Trump wants. But that’s not what will expand the progressive movement in this country.”

Not all of his supporters complied.

The rejection of Mrs. Clinton inside the Wells Fargo Center was scattered but persistent. Those loyal to Mr. Sanders waved fists with thumbs turned down. They screamed “No” and “Nay.” They wore pins, stickers, shirts and hats bearing Mr. Sanders’s face. And they defaced Clinton signs that once read “Stronger Together,” transforming them into a different message: “Stop Her.”

In a way, the angry remnants of Mr. Sanders’s presidential campaign are not really about him anymore: They have become a stew of simmering grievances from the primaries about rules, process, money, fairness and democracy — and were reignited by leaked emails from the Democratic National Committee revealing the bias of some party officials in favor of Mrs. Clinton.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/us/po ... .html?_r=0

Uh-oh...........
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Re: Democrat Party Splitting????

Post by kbot » 07-27-2016 11:28 AM

Interesting article about the Green Party after last night's DNC endorsement......

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Green Party's Stein Woos Disaffected Sanders Voters

Core to Stein's proposition is that any differences between the parties pale beside their shared sins. Though Sanders' candidacy arguably shows the benefits of running within the party by dragging its frontrunner and its platform to the left, Stein believes the lesson is that the Democratic Party is irrevocably broken. "Bernie did everything right and the party still pulled the rug out from under him," she said.

She declined to say whether she believed Trump would be worse than Clinton from a progressive perspective. "I'm kind of agnostic on that question," Stein said. "I don't think it matters. My response to that question is there may be differences between the two parties, but those differences are not enough to save your job."

Stein is unsatisfied by the Obama administration's climate change efforts and Clinton's promises on the same front. "I feel most terrible about a political system that is trying to force feed us two deadly choices and tell us, 'Okay, pick your weapon of self-destruction,'" she said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gre ... rs-n617801
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Re: Democrat Party Splitting????

Post by voguy » 07-27-2016 04:16 PM

New party starting. LINK TO STORY

Dr. Seuss' Cat in the Hat tosses his hat into the 2016 presidential race at Springfield rally (photos)
By Elizabeth Roman - July 26, 2016

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SPRINGFIELD — Standing on the steps of his creator's home with a large audience cheering "Cat, Cat, Cat," the Cat in the Hat threw his name into the ring of contenders for this year's presidential race as the official kids' candidate.

Joined by Sen. James Welch, D-West Springfield, Springfield City Council President Michael Fenton and his running mates Thing 1 and Thing 2, the Cat greeted the crowd outside 74 Fairfield St., the home where Theodor "Dr. Seuss" Geisel grew up.

Susan Brandt, president of Dr. Seuss Enterprises and the Cat's campaign manager, spoke on his behalf during the brief press conference Tuesday morning. Asked if he would release his tax returns, the Cat, through Brandt, said he absolutely will.

"I will be fully transparent," he said.

The Cat also declared he is running as an independent and will seek cabinet members with rhyming abilities.



As far as his platform, Brandt said the Cat will let kids decide what he will focus on during the campaign season. Anyone interested can visit http://www.catinhatforprez.com and vote for one of five options:
  • Work with Dick and Sally on reading and education
  • Work with Red Fish and Blue Fish to address ocean conservation
  • Work with the Lorax to clean up the environment
  • Work with Sam I Am to address hunger
  • Work with Horton to spread kindness
The Cat received a glowing endorsement from Welch, who said he will lend his full support to the Cat.

"This is an opportunity for us to recognize the wonder and the pride we have in Springfield for being the home of Dr. Seuss," Welch said.

The event served as the official launch for the new Dr. Seuss book "One Vote, Two Votes, I Vote, You Vote," which became available for purchase today for $9.99.

After speaking with the press, the Cat and his running mates were led through the city in caravan headed for the Springfield Museums where there will be a campaign party until 2 p.m.
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Re: Democrat Party Splitting????

Post by kbot » 07-27-2016 05:02 PM

:mrgreen:

I love i!!!!!!!!!!! Hey, the ol' Doctor and the Cat has been around far, far longer than any of the candidates, EVERYONE knows the Cat, so why not?
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